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  • Large, high performance object or key/value store for HTTP serving on Linux

    - by Tommy
    I have a service that serves images to end users at a very high rate using plain HTTP. The images vary between 4 and 64kbytes, and there are 1.300.000.000 of them in total. The dataset is about 30TiB in size and changes (new objects, updates, deletes) make out less than 1% of the requests. The number of requests pr. second vary from 240 to 9000 and is dispersed pretty much all over, with few objects being especially "hot". As of now, these images are files on a ext3 filesystem distributed read only across a large amount of mid range servers. This poses several problems: Using a fileysystem is very inefficient since the metadata size is large, the inode/dentry cache is volatile on linux and some daemons tend to stat()/readdir() it's way through the directory structure, which in my case becomes very expensive. Updating the dataset is very time consuming and requires remounting between set A and B. The only reasonable handling is operating on the block device for backup, copying, etc. What I would like is a deamon that: speaks HTTP (get, put, delete and perhaps update) stores data it in an efficient structure. The index should remain in memory, and considering the amount of objects, the overhead must be small. The software should be able to handle massive connections with slow (if any) time needed to ramp up. Index should be read in memory at startup. Statistics would be nice, but not mandatory. I have experimented a bit with riak, redis, mongodb, kyoto and varnish with persistent storage, but I haven't had the chance to dig in really deep yet.

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  • Connection timed out on Node.js app running under CentOS

    - by ss1271
    I followed this tutorial to create a simple node.js app on my CentOS: the node.js version is: $ node -v v0.10.28 Here's my app.js: // Include http module, var http = require("http"), // And url module, which is very helpful in parsing request parameters. url = require("url"); // show message at console console.log('Node.js app is running.'); // Create the server. http.createServer(function (request, response) { request.resume(); // Attach listener on end event. request.on("end", function () { // Parse the request for arguments and store them in _get variable. // This function parses the url from request and returns object representation. var _get = url.parse(request.url, true).query; // Write headers to the response. response.writeHead(200, { 'Content-Type': 'text/plain' }); // Send data and end response. response.end('Here is your data: ' + _get['data']); }); // Listen on the 8080 port. }).listen(8080); However, when I uploaded this app onto my remote server (assume the address is 123.456.78.9), I couldn't get access to it on my browser http://123.456.78.9:8080/?data=123 The browser returned Error code: ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT. I tried the same app.js code which runs fine on my local machine, is there anything I am missing? I tried to ping the server and its address was reachable. Thanks.

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  • error while loading shared libraries Dicom Store SCU / Echo SCU

    - by David Just
    I am running a dicom receiver on a Centos 6 box on top of a Xen server. If I attempt to send data to it from a remote server I get the following error: storescp: relocation error: /lib/libresolv.so.2: symbol memcpy, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference If I send data to the server locally it works, but sending to it from remote gives the above error. I do not think this is a problem that is specific to the storescp server.

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  • Moving FederatedEmail/SystemMailbox from One Store to Another - Exchange 2010

    - by ThaKidd
    Hello all. Just upgraded from Exchange 2003 to 2010. Somehow, I have two mailbox databases on my single Exchange 2010 server. One database contains all of the mailboxes I had moved from the 2003 exchange server; the other contains two SystemMailboxes and one FederatedEmail box. I am just starting to get a grasp on the commands used in the EMS. I was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction to move these three "system" mailboxes into my actual mailbox database so I can eliminate the second database. Just trying to sure up this one server before I role out my backup Exchange server. Thanks in advance! Your help and ideas are greatly appreciated as I try to make this setup as simple as possible.

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  • Where does ubuntu store keyboard shortcut settings?

    - by Herms
    I'm having trouble setting a keyboard shortcut in Ubuntu. Trying to use the win (super) key as a modifier, but as soon as I press the win key the keyboard shortcut UI just assumes I wanted to use just that key. I figure the easiest thing would be to modify the settings file itself, where I should be able to put in whatever I want. But I can't figure out where that's stored. Does anyone know?

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  • Looking for Kiosk-style / camera store easy photo memory card to CD/DVD burning program for Windows-7 Notebook? For non techie user.

    - by Rob
    I'm looking for a Kiosk-style / camera shop easy photo memory card to CD/DVD burning program? For non technie user. The kind of system you see in a camera shop / store, e.g. in the UK, Jessops and Boots stores. This is for my Dad who is adept at general PC usage as a notebook owner, but would prefer something fairly simple. The task of burning photos to CD/DVD, in their original photo file .jpg form, i.e. NOT as CD or DVD video or slideshow, is what I'm looking for. I'm guessing this might be possible in Picasa, but all the options available might be superfluous and confusing. He could probably learn to use that but thought I would try simpler options first. Looking for something that guides the user through the steps/stages of the process, 'Wizard' style. Any suggestions? Platform: HP Windows 7 Home notebook with CD/DVD burner and SD memory card slot.

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  • How to setup Joomla CMS as a backend for iPhone app

    - by srik
    I would like my iPhone app to get dynamic content off the net. This content should be managed using a CMS. I have gone ahead and installed Joomla on my server and will be using the Joomla web interface to create and manage content. I would now like the iPhone app to login to my server and fetch the content. I do not want the complete web pages for my iPhone app. Instead, I want the content in the form of XML or JSON or some serialized format so that I can use the data in a custom layout native to the app. So I am looking for 2 things in particular: 1. How to setup HTTP based authentication for my iPhone app to access data from my server. 2. How to access the content in a serialized format (XML, JSON etc) Are there plugins/extensions/components I can use to achieve the same. Any advice on how this can be achieved would be helpful. I am completely new to setting up/using CMS.

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  • How to setup Joomla CMS as a backend for iPhone app

    - by srik
    I would like my iPhone app to get dynamic content off the net. This content should be managed using a CMS. I have gone ahead and installed Joomla on my server and will be using the Joomla web interface to create and manage content. I would now like the iPhone app to login to my server and fetch the content. I do not want the complete web pages for my iPhone app. Instead, I want the content in the form of XML or JSON or some serialized format so that I can use the data in a custom layout native to the app. So I am looking for 2 things in particular: 1. How to setup HTTP based authentication for my iPhone app to access data from my server. 2. How to access the content in a serialized format (XML, JSON etc) Are there plugins/extensions/components I can use to achieve the same. Any advice on how this can be achieved would be helpful. I am completely new to setting up/using CMS.

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  • Domain Forwarding | A Magento Store

    - by WaZ
    I have installed Magento inside a folder called magento. The URL of the site currently looks like this: http://gios.azamdevelopment.co.uk/magento/ We want our domain forwarded to the above URL and moreover, any links relative should work as well. e.g. http://gios.azamdevelopment.co.uk/magento/customer/account/login/ should ideally be www.giosconcept.com/customer/account/login and so forth. Thanks very much.

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  • Domain Forwarding | A Magento Store

    - by WaZ
    I have installed Magento inside a folder called magento. The URL of the site currently looks like this: http://gios.azamdevelopment.co.uk/magento/ We want our domain forwarded to the above URL and moreover, any links relative should work as well. e.g. http://gios.azamdevelopment.co.uk/magento/customer/account/login/ should ideally be www.giosconcept.com/customer/account/login and so forth. Thanks very much.

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  • Android : How to open youtube links on my facebook messenger app, in the youtube app? [migrated]

    - by dev_android
    I am unable to play YouTube videos from the links I get on my Facebook Messenger app. Here's what happens: A friend of mine posts a video link to me (YouTube link) as a message on Facebook. I receive it on my Android mobile in the Facebook messenger app. I click on it and it shows a Dialogue-Box (you can call that a pop-up) which asks me to choose an app to open the video with. Now earlier, there used to be the video player apps in my mobile along with the internet browsers installed on my mobile that used to come up there. So I would select an internet browser, and it in turn would re-direct me to the "YouTube" app itself. However, now, I am only getting video-players in that Dialogue Box as an option to open the YouTube video, but of course, if I select them, they are not able to stream the video. Has anyone found a way around this problem? It is really bothersome.

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  • Store and Encrypt data over the internet.

    - by sotsec
    I am trying to build a system where I will be able to access my files remotely. I want to setup an external hard drive or a NAS that I will access over the internet, and I want every file that is stored on that system to be encrypted. Could you please suggest me what is the best way of doing that? Or if you have any knowledge, what is the best way to access your files remotely with maximum safety? but the same time the space that the files are allocated is protected against theft(encryption) etc. thank you

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  • Make thunderbird store all mail locally for IMAP accounts but not indexing all for search

    - by rubo77
    In Thunderbird the global gloda search is connected to the selection of downloaded/syncronized folders of the IMAP accounts in the Offline-settings. Is it possible somehow, that Thunderbirds download/syncs all emails in the IMAP account but does not add them to the index for the global search? I would like to do this because I have some accounts that I only keep in thunderbird for archiving reasons but I don't want to find those mails, when I use the global search

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  • BBDB/OrgMode Workflow to store additional information

    - by Matth
    What is the best strategy to establish links and reverse links to my contacts stored in BBDB? My Outline is similar to this: * Projects ** a ** b -> link to contact? ** c * Notes ** 2014-04-02 Meeting with Contact A -> link to contact? How can I create a workflow so that all references to this contact are shown, once I open this contact in BBDB? Currently I use a "hack" where I manually enter links to the entries in the "Notes" field of that entry. But as it is not possible to inclide org-mode outlines in the "Notes" filed, it is an appalling list unusable links.

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  • How does MobilePhone.app connects to the baseband?

    - by Knodel
    I'm trying to write an app for jailbroken phones which will be an analogue for MobilePhone.app. But I don't know the way MobilePhone.app connects to the baseband (or the protocol that is used) and which commands does the baseband "understand". Can you help me? Thanks in advance!

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  • Hosting solution for startup social app?

    - by happyhardik
    We are in a process of building up a social app. Initially we will have only a few thousands of users than will grow with time. Which would be the best and suitable hosting for this purpose? Grid, cloud or VPS? (it has to be economic, as we are just starting up) The hosting needs to be strong, so, in case our app has increase in the user base all of a sudden it wont break up or slow down the app. Our app is in PHP, MySQL. Sorry, if question posted in wrong place. Thanks, for your time. :)

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  • How to populate a core data store programmatically?

    - by jdmuys
    I have ran out of hairs to pull with a crash in this routine that populates a core data store from a 9000+ line plist file. The crash happened at the very end of the routine inside the call to [managedObjectContext save:&error]. While if I save after every object insertion, the crash doesn't happen. Of course, saving after every object insertion totally kills the performance (from less than a second to many minutes). I modified my code so that it saves every K insertions, and the crash happens as soon as K = 2. The crash is an out-of-bound exception for an NSArray: Serious application error. Exception was caught during Core Data change processing: *** -[NSCFArray objectAtIndex:]: index (1) beyond bounds (1) with userInfo (null) Also maybe relevant, when the exception happen, my fetch result controller controllerDidChangeContent: delegate routine is in the call stack. It simply calls my table view endUpdate routine. I am now running out of ideas. How am I supposed to populate a core data store with a table view? Here is the call stack: #0 0x901ca4e6 in objc_exception_throw #1 0x01d86c3b in +[NSException raise:format:arguments:] #2 0x01d86b9a in +[NSException raise:format:] #3 0x00072cb9 in _NSArrayRaiseBoundException #4 0x00010217 in -[NSCFArray objectAtIndex:] #5 0x002eaaa7 in -[UITableView(_UITableViewPrivate) _endCellAnimationsWithContext:] #6 0x002def02 in -[UITableView endUpdates] #7 0x00004863 in -[AirportViewController controllerDidChangeContent:] at AirportViewController.m:463 #8 0x01c43be1 in -[NSFetchedResultsController(PrivateMethods) _managedObjectContextDidChange:] #9 0x0001462a in _nsnote_callback #10 0x01d31005 in _CFXNotificationPostNotification #11 0x00011ee0 in -[NSNotificationCenter postNotificationName:object:userInfo:] #12 0x01ba417d in -[NSManagedObjectContext(_NSInternalNotificationHandling) _postObjectsDidChangeNotificationWithUserInfo:] #13 0x01c03763 in -[NSManagedObjectContext(_NSInternalChangeProcessing) _createAndPostChangeNotification:withDeletions:withUpdates:withRefreshes:] #14 0x01b885ea in -[NSManagedObjectContext(_NSInternalChangeProcessing) _processRecentChanges:] #15 0x01bbe728 in -[NSManagedObjectContext save:] #16 0x000039ea in -[AirportViewController populateAirports] at AirportViewController.m:112 Here is the code to the routine. I apologize because a number of lines are probably irrelevant, but I'd rather err on that side. The crash happens the very first time it calls [managedObjectContext save:&error]: - (void) populateAirports { NSBundle *meBundle = [NSBundle mainBundle]; NSString *dbPath = [meBundle pathForResource:@"DuckAirportsBin" ofType:@"plist"]; NSArray *initialAirports = [[NSArray alloc] initWithContentsOfFile:dbPath]; //********************************************************************************* // get existing countries NSMutableDictionary *countries = [[NSMutableDictionary alloc] initWithCapacity:200]; NSFetchRequest *fetchRequest = [[NSFetchRequest alloc] init]; NSEntityDescription *entity = [NSEntityDescription entityForName:@"Country" inManagedObjectContext:managedObjectContext]; [fetchRequest setEntity:entity]; NSError *error = nil; NSArray *values = [managedObjectContext executeFetchRequest:fetchRequest error:&error]; if (!values) { NSLog(@"Unresolved error %@, %@", error, [error userInfo]); abort(); } int numCountries = [values count]; NSLog(@"We have %d countries in store", numCountries); for (Country *aCountry in values) { [countries setObject:aCountry forKey:aCountry.code]; } [fetchRequest release]; //********************************************************************************* // read airports int numAirports = 0; int numUnsavedAirports = 0; #define MAX_UNSAVED_AIRPORTS_BEFORE_SAVE 2 numCountries = 0; for (NSDictionary *anAirport in initialAirports) { NSAutoreleasePool * pool = [[NSAutoreleasePool alloc] init]; NSString *countryCode = [anAirport objectForKey:@"country"]; Country *thatCountry = [countries objectForKey:countryCode]; if (!thatCountry) { thatCountry = [NSEntityDescription insertNewObjectForEntityForName:@"Country" inManagedObjectContext:managedObjectContext]; thatCountry.code = countryCode; thatCountry.name = [anAirport objectForKey:@"country_name"]; thatCountry.population = 0; [countries setObject:thatCountry forKey:countryCode]; numCountries++; NSLog(@"Found %dth country %@=%@", numCountries, countryCode, thatCountry.name); } // now that we have the country, we create the airport Airport *newAirport = [NSEntityDescription insertNewObjectForEntityForName:@"Airport" inManagedObjectContext:managedObjectContext]; newAirport.city = [anAirport objectForKey:@"city"]; newAirport.code = [anAirport objectForKey:@"code"]; newAirport.name = [anAirport objectForKey:@"name"]; newAirport.country_name = [anAirport objectForKey:@"country_name"]; newAirport.latitude = [NSNumber numberWithDouble:[[anAirport objectForKey:@"latitude"] doubleValue]]; newAirport.longitude = [NSNumber numberWithDouble:[[anAirport objectForKey:@"longitude"] doubleValue]]; newAirport.altitude = [NSNumber numberWithDouble:[[anAirport objectForKey:@"altitude"] doubleValue]]; newAirport.country = thatCountry; // [thatCountry addAirportsObject:newAirport]; numAirports++; numUnsavedAirports++; if (numUnsavedAirports >= MAX_UNSAVED_AIRPORTS_BEFORE_SAVE) { if (![managedObjectContext save:&error]) { NSLog(@"Unresolved error %@, %@", error, [error userInfo]); abort(); } numUnsavedAirports = 0; } [pool release]; }

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  • xamlparser error after clickonce deployment.Application crashing after installation

    - by black sensei
    Hello Good People, I've built an WPF application with visual studio 2008 and created an installer for it.Works fine so far.I realized it lacks the automatic updates feature, and after trying several solutions, i decided to give a try to clickonce deployment.After a successful deployment on a network server, i 've noticed that the application crashes after installation of the downloaded app.It complains about this: Cannot create instance of 'Login' defined in assembly 'MyApplication, Version=1.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null'. Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. Error in markup file 'MyApplication;component/login.xaml' Line 1 Position 9. here is the stacktrace at System.Windows.Markup.XamlParseException.ThrowException(String message, Exception innerException, Int32 lineNumber, Int32 linePosition, Uri baseUri, XamlObjectIds currentXamlObjectIds, XamlObjectIds contextXamlObjectIds, Type objectType) at System.Windows.Markup.XamlParseException.ThrowException(ParserContext parserContext, Int32 lineNumber, Int32 linePosition, String message, Exception innerException) at System.Windows.Markup.BamlRecordReader.ThrowExceptionWithLine(String message, Exception innerException) at System.Windows.Markup.BamlRecordReader.CreateInstanceFromType(Type type, Int16 typeId, Boolean throwOnFail) at System.Windows.Markup.BamlRecordReader.GetElementAndFlags(BamlElementStartRecord bamlElementStartRecord, Object& element, ReaderFlags& flags, Type& delayCreatedType, Int16& delayCreatedTypeId) at System.Windows.Markup.BamlRecordReader.BaseReadElementStartRecord(BamlElementStartRecord bamlElementRecord) at System.Windows.Markup.BamlRecordReader.ReadElementStartRecord(BamlElementStartRecord bamlElementRecord) at System.Windows.Markup.BamlRecordReader.ReadRecord(BamlRecord bamlRecord) at System.Windows.Markup.BamlRecordReader.Read(Boolean singleRecord) at System.Windows.Markup.TreeBuilderBamlTranslator.ParseFragment() at System.Windows.Markup.TreeBuilder.Parse() at System.Windows.Markup.XamlReader.LoadBaml(Stream stream, ParserContext parserContext, Object parent, Boolean closeStream) at System.Windows.Application.LoadBamlStreamWithSyncInfo(Stream stream, ParserContext pc) at System.Windows.Application.LoadComponent(Uri resourceLocator, Boolean bSkipJournaledProperties) at System.Windows.Application.DoStartup() at System.Windows.Application.<.ctorb__0(Object unused) at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.InternalRealCall(Delegate callback, Object args, Boolean isSingleParameter) at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.TryCatchWhen(Object source, Delegate callback, Object args, Boolean isSingleParameter, Delegate catchHandler) at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.WrappedInvoke(Delegate callback, Object args, Boolean isSingleParameter, Delegate catchHandler) at System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherOperation.InvokeImpl() at System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherOperation.InvokeInSecurityContext(Object state) at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.runTryCode(Object userData) at System.Runtime.CompilerServices.RuntimeHelpers.ExecuteCodeWithGuaranteedCleanup(TryCode code, CleanupCode backoutCode, Object userData) at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.RunInternal(ExecutionContext executionContext, ContextCallback callback, Object state) at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run(ExecutionContext executionContext, ContextCallback callback, Object state) at System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherOperation.Invoke() at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.ProcessQueue() at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.WndProcHook(IntPtr hwnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wParam, IntPtr lParam, Boolean& handled) at MS.Win32.HwndWrapper.WndProc(IntPtr hwnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wParam, IntPtr lParam, Boolean& handled) at MS.Win32.HwndSubclass.DispatcherCallbackOperation(Object o) at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.InternalRealCall(Delegate callback, Object args, Boolean isSingleParameter) at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.TryCatchWhen(Object source, Delegate callback, Object args, Boolean isSingleParameter, Delegate catchHandler) at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.WrappedInvoke(Delegate callback, Object args, Boolean isSingleParameter, Delegate catchHandler) at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.InvokeImpl(DispatcherPriority priority, TimeSpan timeout, Delegate method, Object args, Boolean isSingleParameter) at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.Invoke(DispatcherPriority priority, Delegate method, Object arg) at MS.Win32.HwndSubclass.SubclassWndProc(IntPtr hwnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wParam, IntPtr lParam) at MS.Win32.UnsafeNativeMethods.DispatchMessage(MSG& msg) at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.PushFrameImpl(DispatcherFrame frame) at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.PushFrame(DispatcherFrame frame) at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.Run() at System.Windows.Application.RunDispatcher(Object ignore) at System.Windows.Application.RunInternal(Window window) at System.Windows.Application.Run(Window window) at System.Windows.Application.Run() at myApplication.App.Main() here is just the region the debugger is pointing to <Window x:Class="MyApplication.Login" xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml/presentation" xmlns:x="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml" xmlns:src="clr-namespace:MyApplication" xmlns:UI="clr-namespace:UI;assembly=UI" Title="My Application" Height="400" Width="550" ResizeMode="NoResize" WindowStyle="ThreeDBorderWindow" WindowStartupLocation="CenterScreen" Name="Logine" Loaded="Logine_Loaded" Closed="Logine_Closed" Icon="orLogo.ico"> But the installer version as in the msi from setup project works fine.so i cannot see where the error is comming from since i can have design view. Question 1 : Does any one have a similar issue, or is that a known issue? Question 2 : If it's a known issue then what are alternative.I might give up on the clickonce but then i my automatic update feature will be lost (as in there is none which is not ovekill or seriously outdated that i can find right now). thanks for reading this and for pointing me to the right direction.

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  • Newbie python error in regards to import

    - by TylerW
    Hello. I'm a python newbie and starting out with using the Bottle web framework on Google App Engine. I've been messing with the super small, super easy Hello World sample and have already ran into problems. Heh. I finally got the code to work with this... import bottle from bottle import route from google.appengine.ext.webapp import util @route('/hello') def hello(): return "Hello World!" util.run_wsgi_app(bottle.default_app()) My question is, I thought I could just go 'import bottle' without the second line. But if I take the second line out, I get a NameError. Or if I do 'from bottle import *', I still get the error. bottle is just a single file called 'bottle.py' in my site's root directory. So neither of these work.... import bottle from google.appengine.ext.webapp import util @route('/hello') def hello(): return "Hello World!" util.run_wsgi_app(bottle.default_app()) Or from bottle import * from google.appengine.ext.webapp import util @route('/hello') def hello(): return "Hello World!" util.run_wsgi_app(bottle.default_app()) The error message I get is... Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Applications/GoogleAppEngineLauncher.app/Contents/Resources/GoogleAppEngine-default.bundle/Contents/Resources/google_appengine/google/appengine/tools/dev_appserver.py", line 3180, in _HandleRequest self._Dispatch(dispatcher, self.rfile, outfile, env_dict) File "/Applications/GoogleAppEngineLauncher.app/Contents/Resources/GoogleAppEngine-default.bundle/Contents/Resources/google_appengine/google/appengine/tools/dev_appserver.py", line 3123, in _Dispatch base_env_dict=env_dict) File "/Applications/GoogleAppEngineLauncher.app/Contents/Resources/GoogleAppEngine-default.bundle/Contents/Resources/google_appengine/google/appengine/tools/dev_appserver.py", line 515, in Dispatch base_env_dict=base_env_dict) File "/Applications/GoogleAppEngineLauncher.app/Contents/Resources/GoogleAppEngine-default.bundle/Contents/Resources/google_appengine/google/appengine/tools/dev_appserver.py", line 2382, in Dispatch self._module_dict) File "/Applications/GoogleAppEngineLauncher.app/Contents/Resources/GoogleAppEngine-default.bundle/Contents/Resources/google_appengine/google/appengine/tools/dev_appserver.py", line 2292, in ExecuteCGI reset_modules = exec_script(handler_path, cgi_path, hook) File "/Applications/GoogleAppEngineLauncher.app/Contents/Resources/GoogleAppEngine-default.bundle/Contents/Resources/google_appengine/google/appengine/tools/dev_appserver.py", line 2188, in ExecuteOrImportScript exec module_code in script_module.dict File "/Users/tyler/Dropbox/sites/dietgrid/code2.py", line 4, in @route('/hello') NameError: name 'route' is not defined So am I wrong in thinking it should be able to work the other ways or no?

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