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  • eclipseFP2 haskell unix haveing issues connectiong to Scion Server

    - by Chris
    I am having troubles with using FP2 for eclipse and getting it to connect with the server. Eclipse seems to auto-detect scion_server, but I a error in the log file !ENTRY net.sf.eclipsefp.haskell.scion.client 4 4 2010-04-15 10:40:06.580 !MESSAGE The connection with the Scion server could not be established. !STACK 0 The connection with the Scion server could not be established. at net.sf.eclipsefp.haskell.scion.internal.client.ScionServer.connectToServer(ScionServer.java:328) at net.sf.eclipsefp.haskell.scion.internal.client.ScionServer.startServer(ScionServer.java:73) at net.sf.eclipsefp.haskell.scion.client.ScionInstance.start(ScionInstance.java:94) at net.sf.eclipsefp.haskell.scion.client.ScionInstance.runCommandSync(ScionInstance.java:207) at net.sf.eclipsefp.haskell.scion.internal.commands.ScionCommand.run(ScionCommand.java:136) at org.eclipse.core.internal.jobs.Worker.run(Worker.java:55) Caused by: java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.socketConnect(Native Method) at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.doConnect(Unknown Source) at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.connectToAddress(Unknown Source) at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.connect(Unknown Source) at java.net.SocksSocketImpl.connect(Unknown Source) at java.net.Socket.connect(Unknown Source) at java.net.Socket.connect(Unknown Source) at java.net.Socket.<init>(Unknown Source) at java.net.Socket.<init>(Unknown Source) at net.sf.eclipsefp.haskell.scion.internal.client.ScionServer.connectToServer(ScionServer.java:345) at net.sf.eclipsefp.haskell.scion.internal.client.ScionServer.connectToServer(ScionServer.java:324)

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  • Grails XOM linkageerror - SAXParserException

    - by Stefan Kendall
    Possibly related: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2762439/grails-attempting-to-include-htppbuilder-linkage-error I'm trying to include XOM in my grails project. How do I know which dependency library I need to exclude? I'm lost here. dependencies { build('xom:xom:1.1') { excludes "xml-apis" } } Error: java.lang.LinkageError: loader constraint violation: loader (instance of <bootloader>) previously initiated loading for a different type with name "org/xml/sax/SAXParseException" at java.lang.Class.getDeclaredMethods0(Native Method) at java.lang.Class.privateGetDeclaredMethods(Class.java:2427) at java.lang.Class.getDeclaredMethods(Class.java:1791) at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) at org.codehaus.groovy.util.LazyReference.getLocked(LazyReference.java:33) at org.codehaus.groovy.util.LazyReference.get(LazyReference.java:20) at grails.util.PluginBuildSettings.getPluginInfos(PluginBuildSettings.groovy:124) at grails.util.PluginBuildSettings.getPluginInfos(PluginBuildSettings.groovy) at grails.util.PluginBuildSettings$getPluginInfos.callCurrent(Unknown Source) at grails.util.PluginBuildSettings.getPluginInfo(PluginBuildSettings.groovy:160) at grails.util.PluginBuildSettings$getPluginInfo.callCurrent(Unknown Source) at grails.util.PluginBuildSettings.getPluginInfoForSource(PluginBuildSettings.groovy:195) at org.codehaus.groovy.transform.ASTTransformationVisitor$3.call(ASTTransformationVisitor.java:303) at org.codehaus.groovy.control.CompilationUnit.applyToSourceUnits(CompilationUnit.java:820) at org.codehaus.groovy.control.CompilationUnit.doPhaseOperation(CompilationUnit.java:513) at org.codehaus.groovy.control.CompilationUnit.processPhaseOperations(CompilationUnit.java:489) at org.codehaus.groovy.control.CompilationUnit.compile(CompilationUnit.java:466) at _GrailsEvents_groovy.run(_GrailsEvents_groovy:54) at _GrailsEvents_groovy$run.call(Unknown Source) at _GrailsArgParsing_groovy$run.call(Unknown Source) at _GrailsArgParsing_groovy.run(_GrailsArgParsing_groovy:29) at _GrailsArgParsing_groovy$run.call(Unknown Source) at _GrailsInit_groovy$run.call(Unknown Source) at _GrailsInit_groovy.run(_GrailsInit_groovy:38) at _GrailsInit_groovy$run.call(Unknown Source) at Help_.run(Help_.groovy:27) at Help_$run.call(Unknown Source) at gant.Gant.processTargets(Gant.groovy:494) at gant.Gant.processTargets(Gant.groovy:480)

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  • HA Proxy Stick-table and tcp-connection configuration

    - by Vladimir
    I am using HA Proxy HA-Proxy version 1.4.18 2011/09/16 I am trying to insert the following into /etc/init.d/haproxy.cfg file # Use General Purpose Couter (gpc) 0 in SC1 as a global abuse counter # Monitors the number of request sent by an IP over a period of 10 seconds stick-table type ip size 1m expire 10s store gpc0,http_req_rate(10s) tcp-request connection track-sc1 src tcp-request connection reject if { src_get_gpc0 gt 0 } # Table definition stick-table type ip size 100k expire 30s store conn_cur(3s) # Allow clean known IPs to bypass the filter tcp-request connection accept if { src -f /etc/haproxy/whitelist.lst } # Shut the new connection as long as the client has already 10 opened tcp-request connection reject if { src_conn_cur ge 10 } tcp-request connection track-sc1 src I get the following error: [ALERT] 256/113143 (4627) : parsing [/etc/haproxy/haproxy.cfg:36] : stick-table: unknown argument 'store'. [ALERT] 256/113143 (4627) : parsing [/etc/haproxy/haproxy.cfg:37] : unknown argument 'connection' after 'tcp-request' in proxy 'http_proxy' [ALERT] 256/113143 (4627) : parsing [/etc/haproxy/haproxy.cfg:38] : unknown argument 'connection' after 'tcp-request' in proxy 'http_proxy' [ALERT] 256/113143 (4627) : parsing [/etc/haproxy/haproxy.cfg:41] : stick-table: unknown argument 'store'. [ALERT] 256/113143 (4627) : parsing [/etc/haproxy/haproxy.cfg:43] : unknown argument 'connection' after 'tcp-request' in proxy 'http_proxy' [ALERT] 256/113143 (4627) : parsing [/etc/haproxy/haproxy.cfg:45] : unknown argument 'connection' after 'tcp-request' in proxy 'http_proxy' [ALERT] 256/113143 (4627) : parsing [/etc/haproxy/haproxy.cfg:46] : unknown argument 'connection' after 'tcp-request' in proxy 'http_proxy' [ALERT] 256/113143 (4627) : Error(s) found in configuration file : /etc/haproxy/haproxy.cfg [WARNING] 256/113143 (4627) : Proxy 'http_proxy': in multi-process mode, stats will be limited to process assigned to the current request. [ALERT] 256/113143 (4627) : Fatal errors found in configuration. [fail] Could you please tell me what is wrong with the code? Thanks!

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  • Problem with apache + ssl: length mismatch error and ocasional bad request

    - by Ruben Garat
    we migrated a server from slicehost to linode recently, we copied the config from one server to the other. Everything works perfectly except that we get: Occasional errors with "Bad Request", this error is not common, you can use it all day and not see it, and the next day it will happen a lot. apart from that, a lot of the time, event though the request works fine we get some errors. using ssldump we get: New TCP connection #1: myip(39831) <-> develserk(443) 1 1 0.2316 (0.2316) C>S SSLv2 compatible client hello Version 3.1 cipher suites Unknown value 0x39 Unknown value 0x38 Unknown value 0x35 TLS_DHE_RSA_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA TLS_DHE_DSS_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA TLS_RSA_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA SSL2_CK_3DES Unknown value 0x33 Unknown value 0x32 Unknown value 0x2f SSL2_CK_RC2 TLS_RSA_WITH_RC4_128_SHA TLS_RSA_WITH_RC4_128_MD5 SSL2_CK_RC4 TLS_DHE_RSA_WITH_DES_CBC_SHA TLS_DHE_DSS_WITH_DES_CBC_SHA TLS_RSA_WITH_DES_CBC_SHA SSL2_CK_DES TLS_DHE_RSA_EXPORT_WITH_DES40_CBC_SHA TLS_DHE_DSS_EXPORT_WITH_DES40_CBC_SHA TLS_RSA_EXPORT_WITH_DES40_CBC_SHA TLS_RSA_EXPORT_WITH_RC2_CBC_40_MD5 SSL2_CK_RC2_EXPORT40 TLS_RSA_EXPORT_WITH_RC4_40_MD5 SSL2_CK_RC4_EXPORT40 1 2 0.2429 (0.0112) S>C Handshake ServerHello Version 3.1 session_id[32]= 9a 1e ae c4 5f df 99 47 97 40 42 71 97 eb b9 14 96 2d 11 ac c0 00 15 67 4e f3 7d 65 4e c4 30 e9 cipherSuite Unknown value 0x39 compressionMethod NULL 1 3 0.2429 (0.0000) S>C Handshake Certificate 1 4 0.2429 (0.0000) S>C Handshake ServerKeyExchange 1 5 0.2429 (0.0000) S>C Handshake ServerHelloDone 1 6 0.4965 (0.2536) C>S Handshake ClientKeyExchange 1 7 0.4965 (0.0000) C>S ChangeCipherSpec 1 8 0.4965 (0.0000) C>S Handshake 1 9 0.5040 (0.0075) S>C ChangeCipherSpec 1 10 0.5040 (0.0000) S>C Handshake ERROR: Length mismatch from the apache error.log [Fri Aug 27 14:50:05 2010] [debug] ssl_engine_io.c(1892): OpenSSL: I/O error, 5 bytes expected to read on BIO#b80c1e70 [mem: b8100918] the server is ubuntu 10.04.1 the apache version is 2.2.14-5ubuntu8 the openssl version is 0.9.8k-7ubuntu8

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  • Intel 1.83 Mac Mini upgraded to 1.5 gig for Snow Leopard

    - by Paula
    Even though I've upgraded countless video cards, RAM, harddrives, motherboards in PCs... this will be my first mac mini RAM upgrade. I've watched the classic "putty knife" video. (Absurd method... but I guess it's what I'm stuck with.) I have a 1.83 Intel-based Mac Mini from 2007-2008, with 1 gig of RAM. (Two 512 sticks) Can I install 1 gig + 512 ? (Or do I have to throw away my existing sticks and buy two 1 gig sticks?) This old machine is rarely used... so I want to spend the absolute minimum on this RAM upgrade. We ONLY use it to run xCode... nothing more. But wanted to increase the RAM so we can install Snow Leopard. I have no idea how many pins the memory has. I printed out over FORTY pages of specs about this machine from "About this Mac"... but didn't find what I needed. Does this sound right: DDR2 SDRAM (but no mention of SO-DIMM) 667MHZ (but don't know if I can use faster also) Pin count: Unknown Computer model number: Unknown (But I "think" it's an MB138/A) PC2 RAM (unknown... not mentioned) 5300 (unknown... not mentioned) Mfg date: (unknown... not mentioned) Number of slots: (unknown... not mentioned) Laptop or desktop RAM: (unknown... not mentioned)

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  • "Unable to initialize module" warning after update PHP on CentOS 5.4

    - by ohho
    After upgrading PHP from 5.1x to 5.2.10, there are a lot of warning when php -v: [root@localhost ~]# php -v PHP Warning: PHP Startup: fileinfo: Unable to initialize module Module compiled with module API=20050922, debug=0, thread-safety=0 PHP compiled with module API=20060613, debug=0, thread-safety=0 These options need to match in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: PHP Startup: mcrypt: Unable to initialize module Module compiled with module API=20050922, debug=0, thread-safety=0 PHP compiled with module API=20060613, debug=0, thread-safety=0 These options need to match in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: PHP Startup: memcache: Unable to initialize module Module compiled with module API=20050922, debug=0, thread-safety=0 PHP compiled with module API=20060613, debug=0, thread-safety=0 These options need to match in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: PHP Startup: mhash: Unable to initialize module Module compiled with module API=20050922, debug=0, thread-safety=0 PHP compiled with module API=20060613, debug=0, thread-safety=0 These options need to match in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: PHP Startup: mssql: Unable to initialize module Module compiled with module API=20050922, debug=0, thread-safety=0 PHP compiled with module API=20060613, debug=0, thread-safety=0 These options need to match in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: PHP Startup: readline: Unable to initialize module Module compiled with module API=20050922, debug=0, thread-safety=0 PHP compiled with module API=20060613, debug=0, thread-safety=0 These options need to match in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: PHP Startup: tidy: Unable to initialize module Module compiled with module API=20050922, debug=0, thread-safety=0 PHP compiled with module API=20060613, debug=0, thread-safety=0 These options need to match in Unknown on line 0 PHP 5.2.10 (cli) (built: Nov 13 2009 11:24:03) Copyright (c) 1997-2009 The PHP Group Zend Engine v2.2.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2009 Zend Technologies How can I fix that? Thanks!

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  • gcc built by crosstool-ng gives undefined reference

    - by netvope
    I've successfully built a toolchain using crosstool-ng with the default configuration named x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu. The documentation says: Using the toolchain is as simple as adding the toolchain's bin directory in your PATH, such as: export PATH="${PATH}:/your/toolchain/path/bin" and then using the target tuple to tell the build systems to use your toolchain: ./configure --target=your-target-tuple or make CC=your-target-tuple-gcc or make CROSS_COMPILE=your-target-tuple- and so on... I followed the instructions and attempted to build GNU tar (tar-1.25.tar.bz2) with the toolchain. The commands ./configure --target=x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu and make CROSS_COMPILE=x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu- do not work (the build will succeed, but it uses the host system's gcc). The command make CC=x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc works, but in the very last step when it tries to link, it returns errors like this: compare.o: In function `openat': /dev/shm/x-tools/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/sys-root/usr/include/bits/fcntl2.h:134: undefined reference to `__openat_2' What could be the problem? Was the toolchain not properly setup? Perhaps x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc is using the header files from the host system but could not find the libraries in the target's sys-root?

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  • Is there a tool for verifying the contents of a Zip archive against the source directory's contents?

    - by Basil
    Here's the scenario: I create a ZIP archive using some GUI package like WinZip, 7-Zip or whatever by right-clicking on a directory "somename" and selecting "Compress to archive 'somename.zip'" When the archive is completed, I open it and discover that some files don't exist in the archive (for reasons yet unknown). I want to find all files that are missing from the archive without having to extract the archive to another directory, then doing directory diff, etc. So.. Is there a tool (GUI or command-line, standalone or built into a compressor, for Windows or Linux, I don't care) that can walk through an archive and compare its contents against a directory on the filesystem?

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  • Database continuous integration step by step

    - by David Atkinson
    This post will describe how to set up basic database continuous integration using TeamCity to initiate the build process, SQL Source Control to put your database under source control, and the SQL Compare command line to keep a test database up to date. In my example I will be using Subversion as my source control repository. If you wish to follow my steps verbatim, please make sure you have TortoiseSVN, SQL Compare and SQL Source Control installed. Downloading and Installing TeamCity TeamCity (http://www.jetbrains.com/teamcity/index.html) is free for up to three agents, so it a great no-risk tool you can use to experiment with. 1. Download the latest version from the JetBrains website. For some reason the TeamCity executable didn't download properly for me, stalling frustratingly at 99%, so I tried again with the zip file download option (see screenshot below), which worked flawlessly. 2. Run the installer using the defaults. This results in a set-up with the server component and agent installed on the same machine, which is ideal for getting started with ease. 3. Check that the build agent is pointing to the server correctly. This has caught me out a few times before. This setting is in C:\TeamCity\buildAgent\conf\buildAgent.properties and for my installation is serverUrl=http\://localhost\:80 . If you need to change this value, if for example you've had to install the Server console to a different port number, the TeamCity Build Agent Service will need to be restarted for the change to take effect. 4. Open the TeamCity admin console on http://localhost , and specify your own designated username and password at first startup. Putting your database in source control using SQL Source Control 5. Assuming you've got SQL Source Control installed, select a development database in the SQL Server Management Studio Object Explorer and select Link Database to Source Control. 6. For the Link step you can either create your own empty folder in source control, or you can select Just Evaluating, which just creates a local subversion repository for you behind the scenes. 7. Once linked, note that your database turns green in the Object Explorer. Visit the Commit tab to do an initial commit of your database objects by typing in an appropriate comment and clicking Commit. 8. There is a hidden feature in SQL Source Control that opens up TortoiseSVN (provided it is installed) pointing to the linked repository. Keep Shift depressed and right click on the text to the right of 'Linked to', in the example below, it's the red Evaluation Repository text. Select Open TortoiseSVN Repo Browser. This screen should give you an idea of how SQL Source Control manages the object files behind the scenes. Back in the TeamCity admin console, we'll now create a new project to monitor the above repository location and to trigger a 'build' each time the repository changes. 9. In TeamCity Adminstration, select Create Project and give it a name, such as "My first database CI", and click Create. 10. Click on Create Build Configuration, and name it something like "Integration build". 11. Click VCS settings and then Create And Attach new VCS root. This is where you will tell TeamCity about the repository it should monitor. 12. In my case since I'm using the Just Evaluating option in SQL Source Control, I should select Subversion. 13. In the URL field paste your repository location. In my case this is file:///C:/Users/David.Atkinson/AppData/Local/Red Gate/SQL Source Control 3/EvaluationRepositories/WidgetDevelopment/WidgetDevelopment 14. Click on Test Connection to ensure that you can communicate with your source control system. Click Save. 15. Click Add Build Step, and Runner Type: Command Line. Should you be familiar with the other runner types, such as NAnt, MSBuild or Powershell, you can opt for these, but for the same of keeping it simple I will pick the simplest option. 16. If you have installed SQL Compare in the default location, set the Command Executable field to: C:\Program Files (x86)\Red Gate\SQL Compare 10\sqlcompare.exe 17. Flip back to SSMS briefly and add a new database to your server. This will be the database used for continuous integration testing. 18. Set the command parameters according to your server and the name of the database you have created. In my case I created database RedGateCI on server .\sql2008r2 /scripts1:. /server2:.\sql2008r2 /db2:RedGateCI /sync /verbose Note that if you pick a server instance that isn't on your local machine, you'll need the TCP/IP protocol enabled in SQL Server Configuration Manager otherwise the SQL Compare command line will not be able to connect. 19. Save and select Build Triggering / Add New Trigger / VCS Trigger. This is where you tell TeamCity when it should initiate a build. Click Save. 20. Now return to SQL Server Management Studio and make a schema change (eg add a new object) to your linked development database. A blue indicator will appear in the Object Explorer. Commit this change, typing in an appropriate check-in comment. All being good, within 60 seconds (a TeamCity default that can be changed) a build will be triggered. 21. Click on Projects in TeamCity to get back to the overview screen: The build log will show you the console output, which is useful for troubleshooting any issues: That's it! You now have continuous integration on your database. In future posts I'll cover how you can generate and test the database creation script, the database upgrade script, and run database unit tests as part of your continuous integration script. If you have any trouble getting this up and running please let me know, either by commenting on this post, or email me directly using the email address below. Technorati Tags: SQL Server

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  • What Are Some Good Open Source Alternatives to Active Directory?

    - by Laz
    I'm looking for a good open-source alternative to active directory that can handle: Authorization/Authentication Group Policy Replication and Trust Monitoring In addition, are there any consolidated systems out there that handle these responsibilities? Edit: Since a lot have asked for more details, I am trying to offer a service setting up an infrastructure for organizations, hardware/software setups, right now I am looking at a Linux stack, both desktops and servers, however a hybrid stack is possible, and I am investigating alternatives.

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  • jquery autocomplete, $array source. how do i make it multiple?

    - by Toni Michel Caubet
    hello there! I'm using autocomplete so user can easly enter data on inputs, like this: <? $a = new etiqueta(0, ''); $b = $a->autocomplete_etiquetas(); ?> <script type="text/javascript"> function cargar_autocomplete_etiquetas(){ $("#tags").autocomplete({ source: [<? echo $b; ?>] }); } </script> $a = $b its an array with a result like: 'help','please',i','need','to,'be able to', 'select next item',' with autocomplete'; and i checked the ui documentation, but it doesn't fith with my source method.. any idea? I'm trying like this (edited with Bugai13 aportation): <? $a = new etiqueta(0, ''); $b = $a->autocomplete_etiquetas(); ?> <script type="text/javascript"> function cargar_autocomplete_etiquetas(){ $("#tags").autocomplete({ source: [<? echo $b; ?>], multiple: true, multipleSeparator: ", ", matchContains: true }); } </script> but i don't know how to do it.. any idea? are .push and .pop functions from the autocomplete? or shall i define, them? thanks again! PS: i'm getting adicted to this site! PS: come on dudes, i think the answer will be very usefull for many people PS: is it allowed to offer paypal reward?

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  • How to remove directories from source after copying them?

    - by user55542
    I just want to move dirs. I looked successively at mv, cp and rsync, since each tool in turn didn't seem to have the option to remove directories from source after copying them. For instance, mv needs files, not dirs, when src and dst are on different devices: "inter-device move failed: src to dst; unable to remove target: Is a directory" Perhaps the simplest way to do this is by using an additional deletion cmd, although I'd prefer not to use it, since that increases risk of data loss.

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  • Is there any open source DVD duplication software like Nero?

    - by johnny
    Nero Essentials isn't working right and I wondered if there was anything open source that I could use. I need to duplicate a DVD that I have authored - not a data disc a "real" dvd (with vob files, etc.) CDBurnerXP did not have this. Or, if I create an .iso is that the same thing when I burn it back to my duplicate? Thanks.

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  • How do I update a NSTableView when its data source has changed?

    - by Jergason
    I am working along with Cocoa Programming For Mac OS X (a great book). One of the exercises the book gives is to build a simple to-do program. The UI has a table view, a text field to type in a new item and an "Add" button to add the new item to the table. On the back end I have a controller that is the data source and delegate for my NSTableView. The controller also implements an IBAction method called by the "Add" button. It contains a NSMutableArray to hold the to do list items. When the button is clicked, the action method fires correctly and the new string gets added to the mutable array. However, my data source methods are not being called correctly. Here they be: - (NSInteger)numberOfRowsInTableView:(NSTableView *)aTableView { NSLog(@"Calling numberOfRowsInTableView: %d", [todoList count]); return [todoList count]; } - (id)tableView:(NSTableView *)aTableView objectValueForTableColumn:(NSTableColumn *)aTableColumn row:(NSInteger)rowIndex { NSLog(@"Returning %@ to be displayed", [todoList objectAtIndex:rowIndex]); return [todoList objectAtIndex:rowIndex]; } Here is the rub. -numberOfRowsInTableView only gets called when the app first starts, not every time I add something new to the array. -objectValueForTableColumn never gets called at all. I assume this is because Cocoa is smart enough to not call this method when there is nothing to draw. Is there some method I need to call to let the table view know that its data source has changed, and it should redraw itself?

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  • Is there a search engine that indexes source code of a web-page?

    - by Dexter
    I need to search the web for sites that are in our industry that use the same Adwords management company, to ensure that the said company is not violating our contract, as they have been accused of doing. They use a tracking code in the template of every page which has a certain domain in the URL, and I'm wondering if it's possible "Google" the source code using some bot that crawls the code rather than the content? For example, I bought an unlimited license for an image gallery, and I was asked to type the license number in a comment just before the script. I thought it was just so a human could look at the source and find out if someone paid, but it turned out that it was actually that they had a crawler looking for their source code and that comment. If it ran across the code on your site, it would look for the comment, and if it found one, it would check to see if it was an existing one. If not, it would first notify you of your noncompliance, and then notify the owner of the script. Edit: I'm looking to index HTML and JavaScript only, not the server-side languages or Java.

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  • Possible to bypass laptop inverter power source - HP dv5000 inverter 7 input pins?

    - by Glen Tankersley
    I've got an HP dv5000 laptop with a backlight that won't light up, (but is known to be good). I've also got an inverter board which is good, but isn't getting power from the mobo. So, my question is, would it be possible to bypass the original power source, and hack together some type of externally powered input just for the backlight? If so, does anybody know the input voltage and meaning for the 7 input pins for the inverter board, or how to find out?

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