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  • What techniques can be used to detect so called "black holes" (a spider trap) when creating a web crawler?

    - by Tom
    When creating a web crawler, you have to design somekind of system that gathers links and add them to a queue. Some, if not most, of these links will be dynamic, which appear to be different, but do not add any value as they are specifically created to fool crawlers. An example: We tell our crawler to crawl the domain evil.com by entering an initial lookup URL. Lets assume we let it crawl the front page initially, evil.com/index The returned HTML will contain several "unique" links: evil.com/somePageOne evil.com/somePageTwo evil.com/somePageThree The crawler will add these to the buffer of uncrawled URLs. When somePageOne is being crawled, the crawler receives more URLs: evil.com/someSubPageOne evil.com/someSubPageTwo These appear to be unique, and so they are. They are unique in the sense that the returned content is different from previous pages and that the URL is new to the crawler, however it appears that this is only because the developer has made a "loop trap" or "black hole". The crawler will add this new sub page, and the sub page will have another sub page, which will also be added. This process can go on infinitely. The content of each page is unique, but totally useless (it is randomly generated text, or text pulled from a random source). Our crawler will keep finding new pages, which we actually are not interested in. These loop traps are very difficult to find, and if your crawler does not have anything to prevent them in place, it will get stuck on a certain domain for infinity. My question is, what techniques can be used to detect so called black holes? One of the most common answers I have heard is the introduction of a limit on the amount of pages to be crawled. However, I cannot see how this can be a reliable technique when you do not know what kind of site is to be crawled. A legit site, like Wikipedia, can have hundreds of thousands of pages. Such limit could return a false positive for these kind of sites. Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks.

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  • apache-memory-hacker-linux

    - by bibhudatta
    When we start the linux system it take only 435mb memory and it is 4GB memory server. When we start the httpd services it take 1000mb and outmatically it take all the memory and the server crase. even we stop the apache just it release 200mb memory. What will be the problem Can any one tell me what these hacker are doing. I see they are goinging some hit to my apache by some but I thing they are doing from this system. Below is the log. Please help me out for this. [root@host ~]# tail -20 /var/log/httpd/dostizone.com-combined.log 180.76.5.143 - - [14/Nov/2011:02:30:16 +0530] "GET /blogs/10248/209403/nfl-panties-since-the-quality-of HTTP/1.1" 403 2298 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Baiduspider/2.0; +http://www.baidu.com/search/spider.html)" 180.76.5.88 - - [14/Nov/2011:02:30:31 +0530] "GET /blogs/815/158725/new-jersey-attorney-search HTTP/1.1" 403 2290 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Baiduspider/2.0; +http://www.baidu.com/search/spider.html)" 220.181.108.186 - - [14/Nov/2011:02:30:32 +0530] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 403 5043 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Baiduspider/2.0; +http://www.baidu.com/search/spider.html)" crawl-66-249-67-137.googlebot.com - - [14/Nov/2011:02:30:20 +0530] "GET /blogs/805/11279/supra-suprano-high-shoes HTTP/1.1" 200 30642 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)" crawl-66-249-68-51.googlebot.com - - [14/Nov/2011:02:30:37 +0530] "GET /blogs/10514/215084/oakland-raiders-sweatpants-tags HTTP/1.1" 403 2297 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)" 220.181.94.237 - - [14/Nov/2011:02:30:12 +0530] "GET /profile/8509 HTTP/1.1" 200 236894 "-" "Sogou web spider/4.0(+http://www.sogou.com/docs/help/webmasters.htm#07)" 220.181.94.237 - - [14/Nov/2011:02:30:43 +0530] "GET /mode-switch?return_url=%2Fblogs%2F8529%2F160217%2Fclimate-jordan-6 HTTP/1.1" 302 1 "-" "Sogou web spider/4.0(+http://www.sogou.com/docs/help/webmasters.htm#07)" crawl-66-249-68-51.googlebot.com - - [14/Nov/2011:02:30:44 +0530] "GET /blogs/390/61573/blackhawk-jerseys-from-the-you HTTP/1.1" 403 2293 "-" "SAMSUNG-SGH-E250/1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 UP.Browser/6.2.3.3.c.1.101 (GUI) MMP/2.0 (compatible; Googlebot-Mobile/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)" 124.115.0.159 - - [14/Nov/2011:02:30:24 +0530] "GET /blogs/693/46081/application/modules/Hecore/externals/scripts/core.js HTTP/1.1" 200 26869 "http://dostizone.com/blogs/693/46081/thomas-sabo-charms-hot-chilli" "Sosospider+(+http://help.soso.com/webspider.htm)" 124.115.0.159 - - [14/Nov/2011:02:30:24 +0530] "GET /blogs/693/46081/application/modules/Activity/externals/scripts/core.js HTTP/1.1" 200 26873 "http://dostizone.com/blogs/693/46081/thomas-sabo-charms-hot-chilli" "Sosospider+(+http://help.soso.com/webspider.htm)" 124.115.0.159 - - [14/Nov/2011:02:30:24 +0530] "GET /blogs/693/46081/application/modules/Hecore/externals/scripts/imagezoom/core.js HTTP/1.1" 200 26899 "http://dostizone.com/blogs/693/46081/thomas-sabo-charms-hot-chilli" "Sosospider+(+http://help.soso.com/webspider.htm)" 180.76.5.153 - - [14/Nov/2011:02:30:50 +0530] "GET /blogs/10252/212268/cleveland-browns-authentic-jerse HTTP/1.1" 403 2298 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Baiduspider/2.0; +http://www.baidu.com/search/spider.html)" crawl-66-249-68-51.googlebot.com - - [14/Nov/2011:02:30:51 +0530] "GET /blogs/741/46260/chocolate-ugg-women-boots-1873 HTTP/1.1" 403 2293 "-" "SAMSUNG-SGH-E250/1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 UP.Browser/6.2.3.3.c.1.101 (GUI) MMP/2.0 (compatible; Googlebot-Mobile/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)" 124.115.1.7 - - [14/Nov/2011:02:30:40 +0530] "GET /blogs/682/97454/swarovski-jewellry-sale-articles HTTP/1.1" 200 25770 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)" crawl-66-249-68-51.googlebot.com - - [14/Nov/2011:02:30:56 +0530] "GET /blogs/779/60941/players-a-to-z-michael-cuddyer HTTP/1.1" 403 2293 "-" "SAMSUNG-SGH-E250/1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 UP.Browser/6.2.3.3.c.1.101 (GUI) MMP/2.0 (compatible; Googlebot-Mobile/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)" crawl-66-249-68-51.googlebot.com - - [14/Nov/2011:02:31:01 +0530] "GET /blogs/469/58551/chicago-bears-news-there-exist HTTP/1.1" 403 2293 "-" "SAMSUNG-SGH-E250/1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 UP.Browser/6.2.3.3.c.1.101 (GUI) MMP/2.0 (compatible; Googlebot-Mobile/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)" 220.181.94.237 - - [14/Nov/2011:02:30:54 +0530] "GET /blogs/8529/160217/climate-jordan-6 HTTP/1.1" 200 30750 "-" "Sogou web spider/4.0(+http://www.sogou.com/docs/help/webmasters.htm#07)" 180.76.5.59 - - [14/Nov/2011:02:31:05 +0530] "GET /blogs/815/158197/cheap-calgary-flames-jerseys HTTP/1.1" 403 2292 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Baiduspider/2.0; +http://www.baidu.com/search/spider.html)" crawl-66-249-68-51.googlebot.com - - [14/Nov/2011:02:31:06 +0530] "GET /mode-switch?return_url=%2Fblogs%2F387%2F45679%2Fhandbag-louis-vuitton-judy-mm-m4 HTTP/1.1" 403 2258 "-" "SAMSUNG-SGH-E250/1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 UP.Browser/6.2.3.3.c.1.101 (GUI) MMP/2.0 (compatible; Googlebot-Mobile/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)" crawl-66-249-67-137.googlebot.com - - [14/Nov/2011:02:31:10 +0530] "GET /public/temporary/c83b731ecc556d7fd1a7732d9ac16ed6.png HTTP/1.1" 404 2305 "-" "Googlebot-Image/1

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  • Error in simple Java application

    - by mrblah
    Just playing around with java trying to learn it etc. Here is my code so far, using HtmlUnit. package hsspider; import com.gargoylesoftware.htmlunit.WebClient; /** * @author */ public class Main { /** * @param args the command line arguments */ public static void main(String[] args) { System.out.println("starting "); Spider spider = new Spider(); spider.Test(); } } package hsspider; import com.gargoylesoftware.htmlunit.WebClient; import com.gargoylesoftware.htmlunit.html.HtmlPage; /** * @author */ public class Spider { public void Test() throws Exception { final WebClient webClient = new WebClient(); final HtmlPage page = webClient.getPage("http://www.google.com"); System.out.println(page.getTitleText()); } } I am using Netbeans. I can't seem to figure out what the problem is, why doesn't it compile? The error: C:\Users\mrblah\.netbeans\6.8\var\cache\executor-snippets\run.xml:45: Cancelled by user. BUILD FAILED (total time: 0 seconds) The row in the xml is: <translate-classpath classpath="${classpath}" targetProperty="classpath-translated" />

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  • jQuery autocomplete works with a local string but not when the same String is called off the server

    - by Ankur
    This is related to the question I asked at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2802948/how-to-make-an-ajax-call-immediately-on-document-loading My code is: $(document).ready(function(){ $.ajax({ type: "GET", url: "../AutoComplete", success: function(data) { var dataArray = data; alert(dataArray); $("#example").autocomplete(dataArray); } }); }); The value that is printed in the alert is: "Manuscript|Text|Information Object|Basketball|Ball|Sporting Equipment|Tarantula|Spider|Australian Spider|Cricket Player|Medieval Artefact|Person|Sportsperson|Leonardo Da Vinci|Country|Language|Inventor|Priest|Electronics Manufacturer|Object|letter|Artefact|governance model|Organism|Animal".split("|"); If instead I do this: $(document).ready(function(){ $.ajax({ type: "GET", url: "../AutoComplete", success: function(data) { var dataArray = "Manuscript|Text|Information Object|Basketball|Ball|Sporting Equipment|Tarantula|Spider|Australian Spider|Cricket Player|Medieval Artefact|Person|Sportsperson|Leonardo Da Vinci|Country|Language|Inventor|Priest|Electronics Manufacturer|Object|letter|Artefact|governance model|Organism|Animal".split("|"); alert(dataArray); $("#example").autocomplete(dataArray); } }); }); It works fine?

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  • group object with equal collections

    - by Jeroen
    Hi, Suppose 2 classes, Person and Pet. Each person has a collection of 1 or more pets. How do i group the Person in to a collection where they share the same pets. Example: Person 1: Cat, Dog, Spider Person 2: Cat, Spider, Snake Person 3: Dog Person 4: Spider, Cat, Dog Person 5: Dog What i want as a result is this: Group 1: Person 1, Person 4 Group 2: Person 3, Person 5 Group 3: Person 2 How do i achieve this using LINQ?

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  • How to create array items by specify a key that includes hierachy ?

    - by Relax
    Given original codes as: foreach($option as $name=>$value) $array[$name] = $value; and $name as button[0][text], button[0][value], button[1][text], spider[0][name], ... The result array would be array('button[0][text]' => 'its text', 'button[0][value]' => 'its value', 'button[1][text]' => 'its text', 'spider[0][name]' => 'its name', ) However, what i want is array('button' => array( array('text'=>'its text', 'value'=>'its value'), // this is $array[button][0] array('text'=>'its text') // this is $array[button][1] ), 'spider' => array( array('name'=>'its name') // this is $array[spider][0] ) ) How could i do this? ...

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  • Update: Super Hero

    While I was looking for a completely different article back in 2007, I came across my Super Hero & Super Villain rating... Well, it was time for an update: Your Super Hero results: You are Spider-Man Spider-Man 75% Supergirl 70% Green Lantern 70% Robin 57% The Flash 55% Hulk 50% Catwoman 50% Superman 45% Batman 40% Wonder Woman 40% Iron Man 40% You are intelligent, witty, a bit geeky and have great power and responsibility. Click here to take the Superhero Personality Test

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  • Dell Vostro 1510 can't connect to wireless--how can I fix this?

    - by Miss Spider
    I'm having some trouble with my Dell Vostro 1510. I installed wubi on it two days ago and I've only been able to use the Internet with an ethernet cable. The network seems to definitely recognize that the wireless--even other peoples' wireless--is there, but it can't manage to get on. I'll post the lpsci here, so that you can see the Broadcom card I'm working with. I have downloaded the kernel 2.6.39-0-generic, which doesn't appear to have done a lick of work. 06:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01)

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  • How are certain analytics metrics (time on site, etc.) usually distributed?

    - by a barking spider
    I'm not sure if I've come to the right place to ask this question, but I'm gathering some information for a research project. We're trying to design an experiment that'll heavily involve web analytics, and I'm trying to figure out some sensible values of mean +/- standard deviation for the following visitor-level (i.e., visitor 1 spends 2 minutes on site, visitor 2 spends 1 minute -- mean 1.5 +/- 0.71...) metrics: time spent on site page views If time allowed, we would put up the sites and gather the information ourselves, but we have a grant deadline coming up. I realize that even though these the distributions of these quantities are probably going to be heavily skewed towards zero, we'll need some reasonable figures or estimates of these figures in order to do sample size calculations, etc. Anyway, I'm not sure where else I'd turn, and I certainly have had a difficult time finding these values in the prior literature. If someone could direct me to a paper with the right information, or if you have these figures on hand (perhaps taken directly from your logs!) -- that would be amazing, and I'd love to hear from you. Thanks in advance, and even though I'm not allowed to reveal too much, rest assured that this info'll be applied towards a good cause :)

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  • Force request to miss cache but still store the response

    - by Tom Marthenal
    I have a slow web app that I've placed Varnish in front of. All of the pages are static (they don't vary for a different user), but they need to be updated every 5 minutes so they contain recent data. I have a simple script (wget --mirror) that crawls the entire website every 15 minutes. Each crawl takes about 5 minutes. The point of the crawl is to update every page in the Varnish cache so that a user never has to wait for the page to generate (since all pages have been generated recently thanks to the spider). The timeline looks like this: 00:00:00: Cache flushed 00:00:00: Spider starts crawling to update cache with new pages 00:05:00: Spider finishes crawling, all pages are updated until 1:15 A request that comes in between 0:00:00 and 0:05:00 might hit a page that hasn't been updated yet, and will be forced to wait a few seconds for a response. This isn't acceptable. What I'd like to do is, perhaps using some VCL magic, always foward requests from the spider to the backend, but still store the response in the cache. This way, a user will never have to wait for a page to generate since there is no 5-minute window in which parts of the cache are empty (except perhaps at server startup). How can I do this?

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  • Searchable tags in Excel?

    - by Dustin Sanders
    I'm building a database of spiders, organizing them by name, country, and region within that country. The problem is that many of the spiders exist in multiple countries and regions within that country. I want to be able to sort spiders by either country, or region, without having to enter a duplicate entry for every country or region that spider exists in. For example: Say Spider A exists in the USA and Australia. In the USA it lives in the South and North West. In Australia it lives in New South Wales. Is there a way I can make one entry for this spider, but tag it so it will show up when I search for spiders in USASouth or AustraliaNew South Wales?

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  • HTTP Protocal

    I have worked with the HTTP protocal for about ten years now and I have found it to be incredibly usefull for transfering data espicaly for remote systems and regardless of the network enviroment. Prior to the existance of web services, developers use to use HTTP to screen scrap data off of web pages in order to interact with remote systems, and then process the data as they needed. I use to use the HTTPWebRequest and HTTPWebRespones classes in order to screen scrap data from various sites that had information I needed to use if no web service was avalible. This allowed me to call just about any webpage and grab all of the content on the page. Below is piece of a web spider that I build about 5-7 years ago. The spider uses the HTTP protocal to requst webpages and then parse the data that is returned.  At the time of writing the spider I wanted to create a searchable index of sites I frequented. // C# 2.0 Framework// Creating a request for a specfic webpageHttpWebRequest webreq = (HttpWebRequest)WebRequest.Create(_Url); // Storeing the response of the webrequestwebresp = (HttpWebResponse)webreq.GetResponse(); StreamReader loResponseStream = new StreamReader(webresp.GetResponseStream()); _Content = loResponseStream.ReadToEnd(); // Adjust the Encoding of Responsestring charset = "";EncodeString(ref _Content, ref charset);loResponseStream.Close(); //Parse Data from the Respone_Content = _Content.Replace("\n", "");_Head = GetTagByName("Head", _Content);_Title = GetTagByName("title", _Content);_Body = GetTagByName("body", _Content);

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  • In SEO & SEM terms, use of a international domain vs a local domain

    - by Paddy
    In terms of SEO & SEM if I have a .com and a .co.uk. Would it be better to use the .com and park the .co.uk, If I am selling the product locally (in the uk) and later moving out into the international market? Will I struggle more to compete locally with regards to local searches and Google Adwords, if I make the .com as the primary domain? Does the parking of the .co.uk or the .com effect the relevance of a web domains search locally and internationally?

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  • How to add information indicators to a Launcher icon from a script?

    - by Paddy Landau
    Some applications place informational text over their icons in the Launcher. For example, Thunderbird shows the unread message count, and Update Manager shows the number of updates available and a progress bar. The image shows these two examples: I have created some Bash scripts that use yad (a Zenity fork), which adds an icon to the Launcher while running. I would like to know how I can create my own information overlay within my script for those icons.

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  • Unable to log into samba server

    - by Paddington
    I am unable to log into a samba server (running on fedora core 6) as it prompts for a username and password when I try to connect to the mapped drives from my windows 7 machine. I decided to reset the password using the command smbpassword paddy and when I list users using check the pdbedit -L -v I see that the password was updated at the time I made this change. However, I am still unable to log in. The log file in /var/log/samba/log.paddy shows: [2012/10/11 09:55:54.605923, 1] smbd/service.c:678(make_connection_snum) create_connection_server_info failed: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED [2012/10/11 09:55:54.606635, 1] smbd/service.c:678(make_connection_snum) create_connection_server_info failed: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED How can I resolve this so that I can log in?

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  • Anyone heard of 'tank tracking'?

    - by Heather Walters
    Someone I know told me about some seriously cutting edge blackhat SEO that he called 'tank tracking'. He said that it is some sort of code (he believes written in Python) that 'sits' around the outside perimeter of your visible webpage and listens for an incoming search spider. when a spider enters the page, it traps it in this weird wormhole, making it loop through, I don't know, certain keywords or something.... the result is that a SE like google would consequently give the page a full 100 rating (this person told me Google bestows some sort of scoring app once you've passed a certain number of their exams). A quick google search on 'tank tracking seo', 'tank tracking blackhat seo' and 'tank tracking google' yielded zero results. Let me backtrack a bit and say that I am not interested in utilizing blackhat techniques. I'm just astonished that something like this might be out in the world. Anyone heard of this?

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  • Mysql out of disk space

    - by Paddy
    I have just finished developing a rails app which has a mysql db as a backend. The app is meant for high traffic and will store lots of information. I am planning to set up my own web server and host the site from it. If in future my disk space runs out i would want to expand by adding more space. But say if my mysql database is housed in my /disk0s1 and by adding a new drive i have more partitions (and hence more disk space), how then would i extend my database to store information on those partitions too, and at the same time prevent any information from being written on the original partition. Should i go for multiple databases? if so how? If i went for a hosting solution i wouldn't be bothering about this as i would just have to worry about making payments for the extra space :) I always wondered how space is added on-the-go by these webhosts. Is there any specific mysql configuration that i have to make?

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  • OpenDNS IP Conflict

    - by Paddy
    I have downloaded the OpenDNS client and it was working great till today. Shows me this error: dynamic IP update failed with message !yours or "Your IP address is taken by another user." I am pretty sure i'll get away with the problem by just restarting my connection as i'll be assigned a new dynamic ip. But I wonder how this is happening in the first place. Shouldn't Dynamic IP be unique for everyone?

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  • Limiting landscape views in UITabBarController containing UINavigationController

    - by Spider-Paddy
    I have a tab bar application that contains navigation views in 2 of its tabs. I would like 1 view in the 1 navigation controller to allow landscape view but because of the nav bar in tab bar limitation I now have to allow landscape views for every single view in my app to make the tilt messages get passed to my app which I don't want. I thought perhaps, on the views which shouldn't go to landscape, that there might be ways to either: prevent the view change e.g. calling setOrientation:UIDeviceOrientationPortrait whenever the device goes landscape or giving the illusion that the view doesn't change e.g. presenting a modal portrait view over the rotated view Anybody have any ideas or experience that they care to share? What is the best approach here? (I don't want to now have to design a landscape view for every view just to so that I can display a portrait & landscape view for 1 view)

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  • IP not Pinging!

    - by Paddy
    I have an apache server running on Mac. i had windows before on the same machine and i had apache running there too. i could access my public sites by just typing in my ip in the web browser. now its not working. its working with localhost though!!!

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  • IP not Pinging!

    - by Paddy
    I have an apache server running on Mac. i had windows before on the same machine and i had apache running there too. i could access my public sites by just typing in my ip in the web browser. now its not working. its working with localhost though!!! weird!! :( tried a lot of stuff! just couldnt make it work! any help would be greatly appreciated!!

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  • MSMQ Resilience

    - by Paddy Carroll
    I have a requirement for a resilient MSMQ setup on VMWare ESX5. I am aware that we cannot allow the queue storage to be shared as it must be installed on physical disk mount, e.g. it cant be an CIFS or DFS Share. The following constraints apply: We don't use windows clustering We dont't rely on hot standbys Is there a way I can replicate the queue storage to another platform so that it can assume MSMQ duties on failure of the primary platforms using any method including queue forwarding?

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  • NSObject release destroys local copy of object's data

    - by Spider-Paddy
    I know this is something stupid on my part but I don't get what's happening. I create an object that fetches data & puts it into an array in a specific format, since it fetches asynchronously (has to download & parse data) I put a delegate method into the object that needs the data so that the data fetching object copies it's formatted array into an array in the calling object. The problem is that when the data fetching object is released, the copy it created in the caller is being erased, code is: In .h file @property (nonatomic, retain) NSArray *imagesDataSource; In .m file // Fetch item details ImagesParser *imagesParserObject = [[ImagesParser alloc] init:self]; [imagesParserObject getArticleImagesOfArticleId:(NSInteger)currentArticleId]; [imagesParserObject release] <-- problematic release // Called by parser when images parsing is finished -(void)imagesDataTransferComplete:(ImagesParser *)imagesParserObject { self.imagesDataSource = [ImagesParserObject.returnedArray copy]; // copy array to local variable // If there are more pics, they must be assembled in an array for possible UIImageView animation NSInteger picCount = [imagesDataSource count]; if(picCount > 1) // 1 image is assumed to be the pic already displayed { // Build image array NSMutableArray *tempPicArray = [[NSMutableArray alloc] init]; // Temp space to hold images while building for(int i = 0; i < picCount; i++) { // Get Nr from only article in detailDataSource & pic name (Small) from each item in imagesDataSource NSString *picAddress = [NSString stringWithFormat:@"http://some.url.com/shopdata/image/article/%@/%@", [[detailDataSource objectAtIndex:0] objectForKey:@"Nr"], [[imagesDataSource objectAtIndex:i] objectForKey:@"Small"]]; NSURL *picURL = [NSURL URLWithString:picAddress]; NSData *picData = [NSData dataWithContentsOfURL:picURL]; [tempPicArray addObject:[UIImage imageWithData:picData]]; } imagesArray = [tempPicArray copy]; // copy makes immutable copy of array [tempPicArray release]; currentPicIndex = 0; // Assume first pic is pic already being shown } else imagesArray = nil; // No need for a needless pic array // Remove please wait message [pleaseWaitViewControllerObject.view removeFromSuperview]; } I put in tons of NSLog lines to keep track of what was going on & self.imagesDataSource is populated with the returned array but when the parser object is released self.imagesDataSource becomes empty. I thought self.imagesDataSource = [ImagesParserObject.returnedArray copy]; is supposed to make an independant object, like as if it was alloc, init'ed, so that self.imagesDataSource is not just a pointer to the parser's array but is it's own array. So why does the release of the parser object clear the copy of the array. (I checked & double checked that it's not something overwriting self.imagesDataSource, commenting out [imagesParserObject release] consistently fixes the problem) Also, I have exactly the same problem with self.detailDataSource which is declared & populated in the exact same way as self.imagesDataSource I thought that once I call the parser I could release it because the caller no longer needs to refer to it, all further activity is carried out by the parser object through it's delegate method, what am I doing wrong?

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