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  • EC2 Amazon Linux AMI MySQL CPU @ 62% When Idle?

    - by Jeff
    I am running MySQL on an Amazon Linux AMI. There is nothing connected to it. There are no connections and no other applications running that use MySQL. It is completely idle, but yet, top is reporting that mysql is using 62% of the CPU? Why is this happening and how do I fix it? Cpu(s): 0.2%us, 0.2%sy, 0.0%ni, 97.8%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 1.7%st Mem: 1738504k total, 390708k used, 1347796k free, 56888k buffers Swap: 917500k total, 0k used, 917500k free, 229804k cached PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 2959 mysql 20 0 466m 39m 5244 S 62.2 2.3 4:00.67 mysqld 1 root 20 0 19252 1504 1212 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.20 init 2 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kthreadd There are no connections... mysql> show processlist; +----+------+-----------+------+---------+------+-------+------------------+ | Id | User | Host | db | Command | Time | State | Info | +----+------+-----------+------+---------+------+-------+------------------+ | 5 | root | localhost | NULL | Query | 0 | NULL | show processlist | +----+------+-----------+------+---------+------+-------+------------------+

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  • Any way to disable specific CPU idle (Cx) states?

    - by Philippe
    I just got a new Toshiba Tecra S11 notebook, which has a Core i5 520M CPU, and it appears to suffer from a well-known problem: a high pitched noise when the CPU is idle. Googling around revealed that this is caused by a specific power-saving mode in the CPU. In most cases, C4 mode is blamed for the noise. So my question is: is it possible to disable C4 mode (or any other "sleep" mode) using some utility or BIOS setting? I don't mind if it hurts battery life. I'd appreciate any advice on this matter. It's driving me crazy. FYI: I'm running Windows 7 64-bit

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  • Solaris ????????????????

    - by Homma
    ???? ???????????? CPU ?????????????????????????????????? OS ??????????????????????????????????????????????CPU ??????????????????? CPU ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? CPU ??????????????????????????????????? CPU ???????????????????????? CPU ????????????????????????? CPU ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????DTrace ????????????????? ?? ????????????????????????????????????????????? CPU ????????????????? # cat prog01.c int main() { while(1) {}; } # gcc prog01.c -o prog01 ?????????????????????pbind ?????????? CPU 1 ??????psradm ????????? CPU 1 ?????????????????????????? CPU 1 ?????????????? # ./prog01 & [1] 3247 # pbind -b 1 3247 process id 3247: was not bound, now 1 # psradm -i 1 # psrinfo 1 1 no-intr since 09/24/2012 05:46:25 ????????? Solaris 10 8/11 ????????? # cat /etc/release Oracle Solaris 10 8/11 s10x_u10wos_17b X86 Copyright (c) 1983, 2011, Oracle and/or its affiliates. All rights reserved. Assembled 23 August 2011 ????????????????????????? DTrace ??????????????(??????)???????????????????????????? preempt ??????????????????? DTrace ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? # dtrace -qn 'BEGIN{ ts = timestamp; } sched:::preempt/pid == $target/ { printf("%d\n",timestamp - ts); ts = timestamp }' -p 3247 ?????????????????????? 200 ????????????????????? # dtrace -qn 'BEGIN{ ts = timestamp; } sched:::preempt/pid == $target/ { printf("%d\n",timestamp - ts); ts = timestamp }' -p 3247 3547836 199976558 200030610 199964001 200001048 199999666 200021432 ???????????? 200 ????? CPU ????????????? CPU ????????????????????? ??????? CPU 1 ????????????? prog01 ?????????????????????????????????? prog01 ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 200 ??????????????? ????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????? DTrace ????????DTrace ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? # dtrace -qn 'sched:::preempt/pid == $target/ { printf("%d\n", ((tsproc_t*)curthread->t_cldata)->ts_timeleft); }' -p 3247 ??????????????????????????????? 1/100 ???????? 200 ????????????????? # dtrace -qn 'sched:::preempt/pid == $target/ { printf("%d\n", ((tsproc_t*)curthread->t_cldata)->ts_timeleft); }' -p 3247 20 20 20 20 20 20 ????????? 200 ???????????????????? ???????? 200 ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? DTrace ???????DTrace ??????????????? # dtrace -qn 'sched:::preempt/pid == $target/ { printf("%d\n", ((tsproc_t*)curthread->t_cldata)->ts_cpupri); }' -p 3247 ???????????????????????????? # dtrace -qn 'sched:::preempt/pid == $target/ { printf("%d\n", ((tsproc_t*)curthread->t_cldata)->ts_cpupri); }' -p 3247 0 0 0 0 0 0 ????????????????? 0 ???????? 0 ?????????????????????? dispadmin ???????????????? # dispadmin -c TS -g | head # Time Sharing Dispatcher Configuration RES=1000 # ts_quantum ts_tqexp ts_slpret ts_maxwait ts_lwait PRIORITY LEVEL 200 0 50 0 50 # 0 200 0 50 0 50 # 1 200 0 50 0 50 # 2 200 0 50 0 50 # 3 200 0 50 0 50 # 4 200 0 50 0 50 # 5 ???????PRIORITY LEVEL 0 ???????? ts_quantum ? 200 ??????????? 0 ???? 200 ???????????????????????????(RES ??? 1000 ????ts_quantum ???? 1/1000 ?)? ????????? ????????????????????? mpstat ????????????????????????????icsw ??? 5 ???????????200 ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? CPU ??? 200 ????????????? # mpstat 1 | egrep '^ 1|csw' CPU minf mjf xcal intr ithr csw icsw migr smtx srw syscl usr sys wt idl 1 0 0 347 196 1 42 1 3 0 0 2 9 1 0 90 CPU minf mjf xcal intr ithr csw icsw migr smtx srw syscl usr sys wt idl 1 0 0 0 16 0 0 5 0 0 0 0 100 0 0 0 CPU minf mjf xcal intr ithr csw icsw migr smtx srw syscl usr sys wt idl 1 0 0 0 7 0 0 5 0 0 0 0 100 0 0 0 CPU minf mjf xcal intr ithr csw icsw migr smtx srw syscl usr sys wt idl 1 0 0 0 8 0 0 5 0 0 0 0 100 0 0 0 CPU minf mjf xcal intr ithr csw icsw migr smtx srw syscl usr sys wt idl 1 0 0 0 18 1 0 5 0 0 0 0 100 0 0 0 ???????????? Solaris ????????????????????????????????????????????? priocntl ???????????????? 1 ?????????? # priocntl -s -c FX -t 1000 -i pid `pgrep prog01` ??????? mpstat ?????????CPU ??????? 1 ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? # mpstat 1 | egrep '^ 1|csw' CPU minf mjf xcal intr ithr csw icsw migr smtx srw syscl usr sys wt idl 1 0 0 346 196 1 42 1 3 0 0 2 9 1 0 90 CPU minf mjf xcal intr ithr csw icsw migr smtx srw syscl usr sys wt idl 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 100 0 0 0 CPU minf mjf xcal intr ithr csw icsw migr smtx srw syscl usr sys wt idl 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 100 0 0 0 CPU minf mjf xcal intr ithr csw icsw migr smtx srw syscl usr sys wt idl 1 0 0 0 13 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 100 0 0 0 CPU minf mjf xcal intr ithr csw icsw migr smtx srw syscl usr sys wt idl 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 100 0 0 0 CPU minf mjf xcal intr ithr csw icsw migr smtx srw syscl usr sys wt idl 1 0 0 0 5 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 100 0 0 0 ????DTrace ????????????????????????????? # dtrace -qn 'sched:::preempt/pid == $target/ { printf("%d\n", ((fxproc_t*)curthread->t_cldata)->fx_timeleft); }' -p `pgrep prog01` 100 100 100 100 100 100 ??? Solaris ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 200 ???????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? CPU ?????????I/O ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????? http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/uts/common/disp/ ????????? ???????????????????

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  • php-fpm: very high server load

    - by Derp Derpington
    Since today my webserver (nginx + php-fpm + mysql on a VPS) is very slow. htop says: 1 [|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||100.0%] Tasks: 63 total, 13 running 2 [|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||100.0%] Load average: 11.67 10.95 6.95 3 [|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||100.0%] Uptime: 00:18:40 4 [|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||100.0%] 5 [|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||100.0%] 6 [|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||100.0%] Mem[||||||||||| 137/1280MB] Swp[ 0/0MB] PID USER PRI NI VIRT RES SHR S CPU% MEM% TIME+ Command 6802 www 20 0 76232 12320 5716 R 27.0 0.9 0:06.48 php-fpm: pool www 7048 www 20 0 75200 12136 5700 R 52.0 0.9 0:03.64 php-fpm: pool www 6699 www 20 0 74176 11124 5700 R 27.0 0.8 0:07.36 php-fpm: pool www 7029 www 20 0 73668 10380 5676 R 42.0 0.8 0:03.52 php-fpm: pool www 6995 www 20 0 76228 12456 5644 R 42.0 1.0 0:03.98 php-fpm: pool www 6858 www 20 0 74172 10684 5620 R 35.0 0.8 0:05.52 php-fpm: pool www 6998 www 20 0 75200 12072 5620 R 37.0 0.9 0:03.95 php-fpm: pool www 7098 www 20 0 75200 12052 5616 R 42.0 0.9 0:02.33 php-fpm: pool www 7093 www 20 0 76228 12496 5612 R 37.0 1.0 0:03.02 php-fpm: pool www 7226 www 20 0 74692 11080 5588 R 32.0 0.8 0:00.66 php-fpm: pool www CPU: (cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep model) model : 44 model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5620 @ 2.40GHz model : 44 model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5620 @ 2.40GHz model : 44 model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5620 @ 2.40GHz model : 44 model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5620 @ 2.40GHz model : 44 model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5620 @ 2.40GHz model : 44 model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5620 @ 2.40GHz I think a load of 10 and 100% cpu usage is not normal... How can i fix that?

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  • AMD FX8350 CPU - CoolerMaster Silencio 650 Case - New Water Cooling System

    - by fat_mike
    Lately after a use of 6 months of my AMD FX8350 CPU I'm experiencing high temperatures and loud noise coming from the CPU fan(I set that in order to keep it cooler). I decided to replace the stock fan with a water cooling system in order to keep my CPU quite and cool and add one or two more case fans too. Here is my case's airflow diagram: http://www.coolermaster.com/microsite/silencio_650/Airflow.html My configuration now is: 2x120mm intake front(stock with case) 1x120mm exhaust rear(stock with case) 1 CPU stock I'm planning to buy Corsair Hydro Series H100i(www.corsair.com/en-us/hydro-series-h100i-extreme-performance-liquid-cpu-cooler) and place the radiator in the front of my case(intake) and add an 120mm bottom intake and/or an 140mm top exhaust fan. My CPU lies near the top of the MO. Is it a good practice to have a water-cooling system that takes air in? As you can see here the front of the case is made of aluminum. Can the fresh air go in? Does it even fit? If not, is it wiser to get Corsair Hydro Series H80i (www.corsair.com/en-us/hydro-series-h80i-high-performance-liquid-cpu-cooler) and place the radiator on top of my case(exhaust) and keep the front 2x120mm stock and add one more as intake on bottom. If you have any other idea let me know. Thank you. EDIT: The CPU fan running ~3000rpm and temp is around 40~43C on idle and save energy. When temp is going over 55C when running multiple programs and servers on localhost(tomcat, wamp) rpm is around 5500 and loud! I'm running Win8.1 CPU not overclocked PS: Due to my reputation i couldn't post the links that was necessary. I will edit ASAP.

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  • Windows 7 x64: 3900mb of 4gb RAM usage, even when (almost) nothing running.

    - by user34630
    As the title suggests, I am having a problem with memory usage. I have had my computer (Vaio AW11Z/B laptop) for over a year now, and it was running perfectly until I guess a day or two ago. Now programs randomly crash, the mouse lags around the screen and the memory usage is going through the roof for no apparent reason. I am having exactly the same problem as this guy: http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7performance/thread/1f716693-0a46-473e-9dc0-8c2b1a058443/. I think he explains it better. Anyone had a similar issue? What's going on? I don't think it's a virus/adware thing. Thanks very much for any help.

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  • CPU fan making noise. heat sink or replace...

    - by user32185
    CPU fan is making noise ...i figured out reasons: Cable is hitting the fan causing a vibration. And may be also CPU fan is loose causing vibration... suggest options... i cleaned the fan ...but found that there is no heatsink compound /paste between processor and the fan..is it ok ..should i apply heat sink compound. How to correct the cable vibration... My processor is p4 2.4 ghz motherboard intel 845gvsr if i have to buy new fan ..which brand should i go for ..and estimated cost ?!

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  • Why does the CPU usage reach 100% when laptop is plugged in?

    - by Mayank
    I have an HP Elitebook 8440p with Windows 7 Ultimate, i7 Processor and 8 GB RAM. For the last couple of days, when I plug-in my laptop for charging, the CPU usage shoots up to 100% and remains there for around 15 minutes. No offending process shows up in Task Manager/Process Explorer but the laptop is practically unusable for that time. The CPU usage becomes normal when I remove the power cord but shoots up again when plugged back. This is happening with different power adapters/wall sockets so it might not be a faulty adapter issue. Why is this happening and any pointer to resolve this issue?

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  • SQL Server suddenly using only a small portion of CPU.

    - by hermiod
    We've got a Windows 2008 R2 server running SQL Server 2008. All of a sudden, the SQLServer process is refusing to go above 20% CPU usage. As of last week, when running a heavy query against the db it would rise to 100% usage as I would expect. We've had this server for a while and it seems strange that it would just suddenly have this limit. This limit is causing our queries to take a lot longer than they normally would. No one has (knowingly at least) made any changes to the server configuration. After a bit of investigation, I discovered the sys.dm_os_sys_memory view. This shows 'available physical memory is high' bu at the same time the available physical memory is 339552kb where as the total is 4193848kb. It is worth noting that this is a virtual server running on vmware. Is there a setting somewhere with in SQL Server that sets the maximum CPU usage? I've found the settings in resource governor, although this is currently off as it always has been. We have recently started using Spotlight for SQL Server by Quest Software. It's playback database was located on this server for a short time this morning, I first noticed the problem shortly afterwards, although I hadn't been doing any queries prior to this so I don't know if this is the point at which the problem began, however the database was working as expected on Friday afternoon. The Windows log shows that the following settings were applied to the SpotlightPlaybackDatabase when it was created. 02/21/2011 08:45:02,spid60,Unknown,Setting database option TORN_PAGE_DETECTION to ON for database SpotlightPlaybackDatabase. 02/21/2011 08:45:02,spid60,Unknown,Setting database option MULTI_USER to ON for database SpotlightPlaybackDatabase. 02/21/2011 08:45:02,spid60,Unknown,Setting database option READ_WRITE to ON for database SpotlightPlaybackDatabase. 02/21/2011 08:45:02,spid60,Unknown,Setting database option AUTO_UPDATE_STATISTICS to ON for database SpotlightPlaybackDatabase. 02/21/2011 08:45:02,spid60,Unknown,Setting database option AUTO_CREATE_STATISTICS to ON for database SpotlightPlaybackDatabase. 02/21/2011 08:45:02,spid60,Unknown,Setting database option ANSI_WARNINGS to OFF for database SpotlightPlaybackDatabase. 02/21/2011 08:45:02,spid60,Unknown,Setting database option CONCAT_NULL_YIELDS_NULL to ON for database SpotlightPlaybackDatabase. 02/21/2011 08:45:02,spid60,Unknown,Setting database option RECOVERY to SIMPLE for database SpotlightPlaybackDatabase. 02/21/2011 08:45:02,spid60,Unknown,Setting database option QUOTED_IDENTIFIER to OFF for database SpotlightPlaybackDatabase. 02/21/2011 08:45:02,spid60,Unknown,Setting database option AUTO_CLOSE to OFF for database SpotlightPlaybackDatabase. Could any of these settings changes modified the settings applied to the whole server?

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  • software to monitor internet usage on an XP PC? (browser + non-browser)

    - by user39316
    Hi Is there any (ideally open source) software for Windows that can be used on a PC, to monitor the usage of internet from that PC? It would need to include both browser and non-browser sources (e.g. a service that sync's calendar to gmail). So any software on your PC that uses would need to be configured to point to this local internet monitoring software/proxy. The monitoring software/proxy then would be configured to point to the company proxy server (address, port & credentials). Things that come to mind that might be close but not really focused on solving this might be perhaps: Charles Proxy, Fiddler 2, SQUID? The idea would be it could give you a daily/weekly/monthly report of internet upload/download usage on a per program/process/service basis for the PC it is being run on. thanks

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  • How are interrupts handled by dual processor machines?

    - by jeffD
    I have an idea of how interrupts are handled by a dual core CPU. I was wondering about how interrupt handling is implemented on a board with more than one physical processor. Is any of the interrupt responsibility determined by the physical board's configuration? Each processor must be able to handle some types of interrupts, like disk I/O. Unless there is some circuitry to manage and dispatch interrupts to the appropriate processor? My guess is that the scheme must be processor neutral, so that any processor and core can run the interrupt handler. If a core is waiting on a disk read, will that core be the one to run the interrupt handler when the disk is ready?

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  • Determine Location of Inode Usage

    - by Dave Forgac
    I recently installed Munin on a development web server to keep track of system usage. I've noticted that the system's inode usage is climbing by about 7-8% per day even though the disk usage has barely increased at all. I'm guessing something is writing a ton of tiny files but I can't find what / where. I know how to find disk space usage but I can't seem to find a way to summarize inode usage. Is there a good way to determine inode usage by directory so I can locate the source of the usage?

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  • Redhat cpanel how to limit cpu for a perticular user.

    - by Ahmed M Fituri
    Hello, I have a web server with multiple users in it. one of these users uses mambo, and the cpu usage of this user is more than 90% which leads to a very slow performance of the machine, I have installed cpulimit version 1.1. but there is no particular command that limits the cpu per user. I need to limit this user for at least 50% . please help me ASAP. Thank you.

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  • python optparse, how to include additional info in usage output?

    - by CarpeNoctem
    Using python's optparse module I would like to add extra example lines below the regular usage output. My current help_print() output looks like this: usage: check_dell.py [options] options: -h, --help show this help message and exit -s, --storage checks virtual and physical disks -c, --chassis checks specified chassis components I would like it to include usage examples for the less *nix literate users at my work. Something like this: usage: check_dell.py [options] options: -h, --help show this help message and exit -s, --storage checks virtual and physical disks -c, --chassis checks specified chassis components Examples: check_dell -c all check_dell -c fans memory voltage check_dell -s How would I accomplish this? What optparse options allow for such? Current code: import optparse def main(): parser = optparse.OptionParser() parser.add_option('-s', '--storage', action='store_true', default=False, help='checks virtual and physical disks') parser.add_option('-c', '--chassis', action='store_true', default=False, help='checks specified chassis components') (opts, args) = parser.parse_args()

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  • Linux 'top' utility widly inaccurate (more so for multi-CPU/core hardware)?

    - by amn
    Hi all. After using 'top' for long time, albeit basically, I have grown to distrust it's '% CPU' column reports. I have a 8-core (quad core Intel i7 920 with hyperthreading) hardware, and see some wild numbers when running a process that should not use more than 5% overall. top happily reports 50%, and I suspect it is not so. My question is, is it a known fact that it's inaccurate when several CPUs/cores are present? I used 'mpstat' from the 'sysstat' package, and it's showings are much more conservative, certainly within my expectations. I did press '1' for 'top' to switch it to show all the core and us/sy/io stats, but the numbers are substantially higher than with 'mpstat'... I know that my expectations can be unfound as well, but my gut feeling tells me 'top' is wrong! :-) The reason I need to know is because the process I am monitoring only guarantees quality of service with CPU usage "less than 80%" (however vague that sounds), and I need to know how much headroom I have left. It's a streaming server.

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  • High Apache CPU usage, but low nginx - Configured correctly?

    - by Buckers
    We've just moved a website of ours over to a brand new high-spec Linux server (1x Intel Xeon E3-1230 v2 @ 3.30GHz, 8GB DDR3 ECC, 2x 128GB SATA SSD RAID1). The server has been configured to use nginx but we're not sure if its working correctly. The site always loads very fast to us (http://www.onedirection.net), but Plesk often sends us reports that the Apache CPU usage percentage reaches high leves, yet when we look at the nginx percentage it's always very low. We've come from a Windows background so are very new to Linux, but shouldn't nginx run INSTEAD of apache? Here's a screenshot from Plesk showing the CPU usage: http://www.pixelkicks.co.uk/_download/plesk.JPG The website gets around 20,000 visitors per day, and we use W3 Total Cache to get it running as fast as possible. MySQL has been optimised well. Memory usage is only running at 2GB of the 8GB. Does this look right? How can we tell that nginx is doing most of the work? Thanks, Chris.

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  • SQL SERVER – Demo Script – Keeping CPU Busy

    - by pinaldave
    Recently face very interesting situation, during presentations at event, I was asked very famous questions: “My CPU is very high all the time, how can I reduce it?” This is very interesting question and there are many answers and a single blog post is not good enough to justify this subject. I presented few situation to the person who asked the question. The member of the audience who asked question came to me afterwords and asked me few detailed questions. To answer him, I quickly wrote query which simulate high CPU. Here is the script which I wrote which increased CPU from 10% to 80%. I was wondering if there is any similar script which can simulate high CPU usage. If you have share with me and I will publish with due credit. Here is my script for the same: USE AdventureWorks GO DECLARE @Flag INT SET @Flag = 1 WHILE(@Flag < 1000) BEGIN ALTER INDEX [PK_SalesOrderDetail_SalesOrderID_SalesOrderDetailID] ON [Sales].[SalesOrderDetail] REBUILD SET @Flag = @Flag + 1 END GO   Reference: Pinal Dave (http://blog.SQLAuthority.com) Filed under: Pinal Dave, PostADay, SQL, SQL Authority, SQL Query, SQL Scripts, SQL Server, SQL Tips and Tricks, T SQL, Technology

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  • Which opcodes are faster at the CPU level?

    - by Geotarget
    In every programming language there are sets of opcodes that are recommended over others. I've tried to list them here, in order of speed. Bitwise Integer Addition / Subtraction Integer Multiplication / Division Comparison Control flow Float Addition / Subtraction Float Multiplication / Division Where you need high-performance code, C++ can be hand optimized in assembly, to use SIMD instructions or more efficient control flow, data types, etc. So I'm trying to understand if the data type (int32 / float32 / float64) or the operation used (*, +, &) affects performance at the CPU level. Is a single multiply slower on the CPU than an addition? In MCU theory you learn that speed of opcodes is determined by the number of CPU cycles it takes to execute. So does it mean that multiply takes 4 cycles and add takes 2? Exactly what are the speed characteristics of the basic math and control flow opcodes? If two opcodes take the same number of cycles to execute, then both can be used interchangeably without any performance gain / loss? Any other technical details you can share regarding x86 CPU performance is appreciated

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  • Lighter in CPU/Memory Usage: Lubuntu or Xubuntu

    - by Luis Alvarado
    I am looking for an Ubuntu version that consumes less Memory and CPU. I have read both Lubuntu and Xubuntu (The homepages, wikipedia, phoronix and other sites comparing both). But from experience, which one uses less memory and is less CPU intensive. I need to install them in very old hardware and want to persuade the owner of the hardware of the benefits of Ubuntu. in this case I want to install 11.10 or 12.04 when it comes out. How are each behaving in those versions? The 2 PCs I will be installing either Xubuntu or Lubuntu are: Granpa PC: CPU - Pentium 2 450Mhz RAM - 64MB DIMM Video - 16MB Used for - Documents and Internet. No listening to music, no looking at videos. Just using it for document writing. The other old meat: CPU - Pentium 3 550Mhz RAM - 128MB DIMM Video - 16MB Used for - Documents and Internet also but they want.. or maybe they are wishing for it to use it to see movies and listen to music. This one has internet. The other one does not.

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