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  • SSH works in putty but not terminal

    - by Ryan Naddy
    When I try to ssh this in a terminal: ssh [email protected] I get the following error: Connection closed by 69.163.227.82 When I use putty, I am able to connect to the server. Why is this happening, and how can I get this to work in a terminal? ssh -v [email protected] OpenSSH_6.0p1 (CentrifyDC build 5.1.0-472) (CentrifyDC build 5.1.0-472), OpenSSL 0.9.8w 23 Apr 2012 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/centrifydc/ssh/ssh_config debug1: /etc/centrifydc/ssh/ssh_config line 52: Applying options for * debug1: Connecting to sub.domain.com [69.163.227.82] port 22. debug1: Connection established. debug1: identity file /home/ryannaddy/.ssh/id_rsa type -1 debug1: identity file /home/ryannaddy/.ssh/id_rsa-cert type -1 debug1: identity file /home/ryannaddy/.ssh/id_dsa type -1 debug1: identity file /home/ryannaddy/.ssh/id_dsa-cert type -1 debug1: identity file /home/ryannaddy/.ssh/id_ecdsa type -1 debug1: identity file /home/ryannaddy/.ssh/id_ecdsa-cert type -1 debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5 debug1: match: OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5 pat OpenSSH_5* debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0 debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.0 debug1: Miscellaneous failure Cannot resolve network address for KDC in requested realm debug1: Miscellaneous failure Cannot resolve network address for KDC in requested realm debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received debug1: kex: server->client aes128-ctr hmac-md5 none debug1: kex: client->server aes128-ctr hmac-md5 none debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST(1024<1024<8192) sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP Connection closed by 69.163.227.82

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  • Apache error "child pid XXXX exit signal exceeded file size limit (25)"

    - by Stephen Melrose
    Morning all, Apache on our internal development server stopped working last night. It's running, but all we get is a blank screen, no server errors. Examing the error log shows the following, [Fri Apr 23 09:13:57 2010] [notice] child pid XXXX exit signal exceeded file size limit (25) [Fri Apr 23 09:14:03 2010] [notice] child pid XXXX exit signal exceeded file size limit (25) [Fri Apr 23 09:14:03 2010] [notice] child pid XXXX exit signal exceeded file size limit (25) [Fri Apr 23 09:14:06 2010] [notice] child pid XXXX exit signal exceeded file size limit (25) After some Googling, we found that this is due to Apache trying to handle a file greater than it's maximum allowed limit, which by default is 2GB and is usually an error log. I did a search using find . -size +1000000k -ls (find all files greater than 1GB) in our log and web folders, but nothing showed up. I've also restarted Apache and rebooted the server itself serveral times. I've completely wiped the log folder and started a fresh. Nothing is working. Any ideas as to what else might be causing this? Thank you

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  • Downloading multiple files with wget and handling parameters

    - by coure2011
    How can I download multiple files using wget? I also want to rename the files. Here are the commands I'm running one by one (copy/paste on terminal): wget -c --load-cookies cookies.txt http://www.filesonic.com/file/812720774/PS11.rar -O part11.rar wget -c --load-cookies cookies.txt http://www.filesonic.com/file/812721094/PS12.rar -O part12.rar wget -c --load-cookies cookies.txt http://www.filesonic.com/file/812720804/PS13.rar -O part13.rar wget -c --load-cookies cookies.txt http://www.filesonic.com/file/812720854/PS14.rar -O part14.rar ........ and so on.. What can I do to download all these files one by one?

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  • Best format for backing up data in Blu Ray

    - by Arrieta
    We are in the process of backing up our hard drives to Blu Rays. I am creating tar.gz files and burning them to Blu Ray. Is it possible to use a simple (preferably Python-based) solution for creating images of those tar.gz files, of a predetermined size (to fit in the Blu Ray), and simply burn this images to the disc? Do you have any other approach for creating physical back-up of your hard drives?

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  • hosts.deny not blocking ip addresses

    - by Jamie
    I have the following in my /etc/hosts.deny file # # hosts.deny This file describes the names of the hosts which are # *not* allowed to use the local INET services, as decided # by the '/usr/sbin/tcpd' server. # # The portmap line is redundant, but it is left to remind you that # the new secure portmap uses hosts.deny and hosts.allow. In particular # you should know that NFS uses portmap! ALL:ALL and this in /etc/hosts.allow # # hosts.allow This file describes the names of the hosts which are # allowed to use the local INET services, as decided # by the '/usr/sbin/tcpd' server. # ALL:xx.xx.xx.xx , xx.xx.xxx.xx , xx.xx.xxx.xxx , xx.x.xxx.xxx , xx.xxx.xxx.xxx but i am still getting lots of these emails: Time: Thu Feb 10 13:39:55 2011 +0000 IP: 202.119.208.220 (CN/China/-) Failures: 5 (sshd) Interval: 300 seconds Blocked: Permanent Block Log entries: Feb 10 13:39:52 ds-103 sshd[12566]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=202.119.208.220 user=root Feb 10 13:39:52 ds-103 sshd[12567]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=202.119.208.220 user=root Feb 10 13:39:52 ds-103 sshd[12568]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=202.119.208.220 user=root Feb 10 13:39:52 ds-103 sshd[12571]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=202.119.208.220 user=root Feb 10 13:39:53 ds-103 sshd[12575]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=202.119.208.220 user=root whats worse is csf is trying to auto block these ip's when the attempt to get in but although it does put ip's in the csf.deny file they do not get blocked either So i am trying to block all ip's with /etc/hosts.deny and allow only the ip's i use with /etc/hosts.allow but so far it doesn't seem to work. right now i'm having to manually block each one with iptables, I would rather it automatically block the hackers in case I was away from a pc or asleep

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  • rm -rf not erasing directory

    - by chief
    I am attempting to erase a directory called apps. When I run rm-rf apps it looks like it erases it for the moment. When I log back on to the server the directory is still there, though it is highlighted in green. drwxrwxrwx 3 user user 4096 2010-04-24 18:33 apps

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  • rm -rf not erasing directory

    - by chief
    I am attempting to erase a directory called apps. When I run rm-rf apps it looks like it erases it for the moment. When I log back on to the server the directory is still there, though it is highlighted in green. drwxrwxrwx 3 user user 4096 2010-04-24 18:33 apps Ubuntu 9.10

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  • Is it possible to use SELinux MCS permissions with Samba?

    - by Yuri
    Created a user1: adduser --shell /sbin/nologin --no-create-home user1 passwd user1 smbpasswd -a user1 smbpasswd -e user1 semanage login -a -s "unconfined_u" -r "s0-s0:c0" user1 Added a category c0 for the folder ./123 inside the Samba share chcat s0:c0 /share/123/ After that the user1 can't go into this folder: type=AVC msg=audit(1332693158.129:48): avc: denied { read } for pid=1122 comm="smbd" name="123" dev=sda1 ino=786438 scontext=system_u:system_r:smbd_t:s0 tcontext=unconfined_u:object_r:samba_share_t:s0:c0 tclass=dir But if remove the c0 category: restorecon -v /share/123/ user1 opens folder with no problem. Is I'm doing something wrong or Samba doesn't support SELinux MCS? Have installed on CentOS 6.2 are: samba3.i686 3.6.3-44.el6 @sernet-samba selinux-policy.noarch 3.7.19-126.el6_2.10 @updates selinux-policy-targeted.noarch 3.7.19-126.el6_2.10 @updates

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  • Makefile fails to install file correctly, installing HPL

    - by zarose
    I started installing HPL a while ago, and had a related question. I've been following along with this guide from Intel. I figure this warrants a whole new one. When I try to make the archive, the output seems fine until the end, where it gives an error. make[2]: Entering directory `/hpl-2.0/src/auxil/intel64' Makefile:47: Make.inc: No such file or directory make[2]: *** No rule to make target `Make.inc'. Stop. make[2]: Leaving directory `/hpl-2.0/src/auxil/intel64' make[1]: *** [build_src] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/hpl-2.0' make: *** [build] Error 2 Going to the directory /hpl-2.0/src/auxil/intel64 shows a file, "Make.inc", but it's highlighted red, and the white text blinks. Is there a way to manually make that file? What do I need to do to get the makefile to do this for me?

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  • SELinux Contexts

    - by Josh
    I am configuring Apache\PHP and noticed Apache complaining about permissions with the php shared object. Starting httpd: httpd: Syntax error on line 206 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot load /usr/lib/httpd/modules/libphp5.so into server: /usr/lib/httpd/modules/libphp5.so: cannot restore segment prot after reloc: Permission denied I looked at the context (started fine with enforcement off) and found: [root@HDSSERVER conf]# ls --lcontext /usr/lib/httpd/modules/libphp5.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 root:object_r:httpd_modules_t root root 15565418 May 10 08:39 /usr/lib/httpd/modules/libphp5.so Shouldn't httpd (apache) be able to access files with a context of httpd_modules_t? I got it fixed by applying chcon -t textrel_shlib_t '/usr/lib/httpd/modules/libphp5.so' But I would think the httpd version would work before this one. Can someone explain this to me?

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  • iptables not writing rules.

    - by Darkmage
    im running these two rules as root, but when doing a iptables -L it dosent show any rules, any one have an idea of what the problem can be? iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 --source 84.244.145.135 -j REDIRECT --to-port 1222 iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 --source 243.134.97.194 -j REDIRECT --to-port 1222 duno@Virtual-Box:/home/glennwiz# iptables -L Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination

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  • Tips and tricks to make NX server more stable

    - by gareth_bowles
    My shop has been using the FreeNX server on Fedora 11 for a while now and mostly getting good results, especially with performance, but we have some annoying problems with client connections. There are two main issues: Client sessions sometimes freeze after a long time (seems to be at least 2 hours of having the session active) We often have to make multiple attempts to start a new client session, especially if a previous session was suspended rather than terminated. In qwuite a few cases, we've had to restart the NX server to get around this. Our NX server configuration is the default except that we've enabled logging level 7 to /var/log/nxserver.log, and set the font server to "unix:/7100" so that it uses xfs. Does anyone have any ideas for making things more stable ?

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  • Strange DNS problem [seems to be IPv6 issue]

    - by Homer J. Simpson
    Hi, I'm experiencing strange problems with my Kubuntu 9.10 when doing DNS requests from various applications. The requests are extremely slow, so loading any pages in Firefox or Konqueror, doing package installations in Kpackagemanager and other apps is really painful, while for example Opera doesnt have any problems, and ping is normally fast as well for DNS pings. I checked the proxy settings of both the used applications as well as of the general system and there are none, so to me it doesn't seem as there was something inbetween.. Does anybody have an idea on what to check for possible problem sources or how to solve this ? I'm behind a DSL home router which does the DHCP (and works well with my other computer). Any kind of advice would be really helpful. Edit: It seems to be some kind of IPv6 problem, as I could get it to work by disabling IPv6 explicitly in Firefox. Is there a general solution to this ?

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  • fail2ban block ports rules iptable

    - by J Spen
    I just installed Ubuntu Server 14.04 and don't have much experience with IPtables. I am trying to get a basic setup going where I only accept SSH connections on port 22 and 2222. I actually have that working with no problem using fail2ban ssh. Then I wanted to block all other ports except 423 and 4242 but either method of DROPing all connections that are not listed seems not to work and it blocks me out of everything. Below is the setup that works: -P INPUT ACCEPT -P FORWARD ACCEPT -P OUTPUT ACCEPT -N fail2ban-ssh -A INPUT -p tcp -m multiport --dports 22,2222 -j fail2ban-ssh -A fail2ban-ssh -j RETURN I tried to change it either to: -P INPUT DROP -P FORWARD ACCEPT -P OUTPUT ACCEPT -N fail2ban-ssh -A INPUT -p tcp -m multiport --dports 22,2222 -j fail2ban-ssh -A fail2ban-ssh -j RETURN or: -P INPUT ACCEPT -P FORWARD ACCEPT -P OUTPUT ACCEPT -N fail2ban-ssh -A INPUT -p tcp -m multiport --dports 22,2222 -j fail2ban-ssh -A INPUT -j DROP -A fail2ban-ssh -j RETURN I have noticed that the rules for fail2ban-ssh are automatically added to my iptables on boot because if I save them with iptables-persistant they are entered twice. How do I go about blocking everything accept those 2 ports using fail2ban? Is it a bad fail2ban configuration or do I need to add the fail2ban-ssh -j Return somewhere else in my code.

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  • 0% CPU in top for all processes, but load average > 1

    - by chrisdew
    On two different servers (with Ubuntu 12.04LTS AMD64) I have seen the following behaviour: op - 10:50:05 up 305 days, 21:17, 1 user, load average: 1.94, 2.52, 2.97 Tasks: 141 total, 2 running, 139 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 41.5%us, 6.5%sy, 0.0%ni, 51.8%id, 0.0%wa, 0.2%hi, 0.1%si, 0.0%st Mem: 8178432k total, 5753740k used, 2424692k free, 159480k buffers Swap: 15625208k total, 0k used, 15625208k free, 4905292k cached PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 1 root 20 0 23928 2072 1216 S 0 0.0 0:56.42 init 2 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.01 kthreadd 3 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:01.23 migration/0 4 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 2:39.82 ksoftirqd/0 5 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 watchdog/0 6 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:02.99 migration/1 7 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 2:32.15 ksoftirqd/1 8 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 watchdog/1 9 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:11.67 migration/2 10 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 29:00.34 ksoftirqd/2 The server is working fine, but top shows all processes as using 0% CPU. A reboot fixed this on an earlier machine, but I haven't yet tried it on this one. I have tried top several times, and so am sure that I haven't accidentally pressed '<' or '' to sort by a different column. Sorting the process list by all of the available columns, stills shows 0% CPU for all displayed processes. What is going on? If this a kernel bug? Update: If I use top -p <PID> for a know, busy process, top still displays 0% CPU for that process.

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  • getaddrinfo: command not found

    - by jebbie
    I've installed a new Ubuntu 12.04 on an AWS EC2 instance and everything worked fine till now. I followed the instructions in this great tutorial: http://www.exratione.com/2012/05/a-mailserver-on-ubuntu-1204-postfix-dovecot-mysql/ Now i'm on the point "installing monit" and when i restart the service i get this error message now: monit: Cannot translate '(none)' to FQDN name -- Name or service not known I started googling and someone is writing there, that monit uses getaddrinfo in his startup-process to determine the hostname. Ok, so i thought i try out on myself what is getaddrinfo delivering, and then i got: getaddrinfo: command not found I guess, something is missing on my system. Can anyone help?

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  • MySQL Master - Master Broken

    - by Recc
    I've Inherited a Mysql master master system, I've noticed the second master (lets call it slave from now on as it's running on a 'slave' machine) stopped getting its db's updated. I saw that Master: Slave_IO_Running: Yes Slave_SQL_Running: Yes Slave: (with an error I truncated) Slave_IO_Running: Yes Slave_SQL_Running: No Last_Errno: 1062 Last_Error: Error 'Duplicate entry '3' for key 'PRIMARY'' on [...] I don't know what caused it to process considering we cant get duplicate there. What's important is to resume normal operations; Right now I've stop slave; on the Master and stop slave; on the Slave because I saw that if I change records on the Slave the changes Do Get Propagated to Master which is in active use. How do I: Force sync EVERYTHING from master to slave without affecting data on master? Then hopefully have slave pickup replication as usual? UPDATE OK I Tried deleting all tables on slave then it complained in that error section that the 'table' doesnt exist. So i made a no data dump of Master, and made sure I have only empty tables in Secondary (slave). I start slave; on slave BUT now it's complaining about bloody alter table statements for instance: Last_Errno: 1060 Last_Error: Error 'Duplicate column name [...] Query: 'ALTER TABLE [...] How to skip the fracking alter statements I just want to replicate the bloody data and be done with it, my tables have the lates changes already FFS and now its complaining about changes made after the replication seized weeks ago How do I reset the log or something? OUTSTANDING Why would this start happening? The "Secondary" is propagating to "Primary". "Primary" is not propagating to "Secondary". But any fixes I tried to do left it in the same state Yes-Yes Yes-No with same Last_Error. I think around that time the server was taken off the network, could that confuse MySQL in some way?

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  • Sendmail SMART_HOST not working

    - by daniel
    Hello, I've defined SMART_HOST to be a specific server, lets call it foo.bar.com. However, when I send a test mail using 'sendmail -t', sendmail tries to use mx.bar.com, which subsequently rejects my mail. I've verified that foo.bar.com works and that mx.bar.com does not work (yay telnet). I've recompiled sendmail.mc vi make, make -C and m4. I've verified the DS entry in sendmail.cf. I've restarted sendmail correctly. I'm not sure how to proceed at this point. Any ideas? Here is my SMART_HOST line: define(SMART_HOST',foo.bar.com')dnl ...and here is the result of a test mail. It never tries to use foo.bar.com, instead it uses mx.bar.com. $ echo subject: test; echo | sendmail -Am -v -flocaluser -- [email protected] subject: test [email protected]... Connecting to mx.bar.com via relay... 220 mx.bar.com ESMTP >>> EHLO myhost.bar.com 250-mx.bar.com 250-8BITMIME 250 SIZE 52428800 >>> MAIL From:<[email protected]> SIZE=1 250 sender <[email protected]> ok >>> RCPT To:<[email protected]> 550 #5.1.0 Address rejected. >>> RSET 250 reset localuser... Connecting to local... localuser... Sent Closing connection to mx.bar.com. >>> QUIT 221 mx.bar.com And last, here is a test mail sent using foo.bar.com: $ hostname myhost.bar.com $ telnet foo.bar.com 25 Trying ***.***.***.***... Connected to foo.bar.com (***.***.***.***). Escape character is '^]'. 220 foo.bar.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.14.1/8.14.1/ITS-7.0/ldap2-1+tls; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:27:44 -0700 (MST) helo foo 250 foo.bar.com Hello myhost.bar.com [***.***.***.***], pleased to meet you mail from: [email protected] 250 2.1.0 [email protected]... Sender ok rcpt to: [email protected] 250 2.1.5 [email protected]... Recipient ok data 354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself testing . 250 2.0.0 oBLKRikZ003758 Message accepted for delivery quit 221 2.0.0 foo.bar.com closing connection Connection closed by foreign host. Any ideas? Thanks

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  • Why are my files in /var/lock and where did they just go?!

    - by Nicky Hajal
    I am hosting a website on Debian 5.0 & Apache2. Today one of my websites was down, Apache said it couldn't find the directory. I located the files and the whole site once in /var/www/site was now /var/lock/site. All the files were present. I was confused, but figured I'd just move it back. mv /var/lock/site /var/www All looked fine... Except that only the directories moved and the files appear to be lost! I am working on restoring from backups but I would really love to know what happened and where my files went (the backups are a few days old). Thanks for your help!

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  • Resizing mysterious partition written by DDing an ISO file

    - by Jon
    I downloaded clonezilla and then wrote it to a USB flash drive with this: dd if=clonezilla.iso of=/dev/sdb I've confirmed that the system boots and clonezilla runs from the flash drive. I want to store a clonezilla backup on the same flash drive clonezilla is running on, but I tried it and ran out of space, so I started looking at how to resize the mysterious partition type that was generated from the ISO. fdisk -l /dev/sdb .... Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 * 1 111 113664 17 Hidden HPFS/NTFS .... I've tried using ntfsresize from the Debian ntfsprogs package. I'm trying gparted next, but thought I'd ask here if anyone knows a neat way to resize a partition created on flash from a liveCD image. Thanks in advance Jon ps. Assume Debian 6 please.

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  • How long does a blocked connection from Iptables last? Is there a way to set the timeout?

    - by Josh
    iptables -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -m recent --set # If we receive more than 10 connections in 10 seconds block our friend. iptables -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -m recent --update --seconds 5 --hitcount 15 -j Log-N-Drop I have these two relevant rules from iptables. if more than 15 connections are made in 5 seconds it logs the attempt and blocks it. How long does iptables maintain the counter? Does it refresh if connections are attempted again?

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  • Is there a way to find what values comes from what file in HAL under Ubuntu?

    - by vava
    I've been playing with multitouch on my Thinkpad and read a few tutorials on how to setup it. One of them mentioned /usr/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/11-x11-synaptics.fdi, I edited it and enabled SHMConfig through it. Later I found out about /etc/hal/policy/ directory and put some customization for my touchpad there as well in separate fdi file. But now it looks like touchpad doesn't care about my customizations. I have gsynaptec installed and can configure it though GUI, I can configure it with synclient but I can't set any values through fdi files. I even turned off SHMConfig, reverting 11-x11-synaptics,fdi file to it's original state but it seems like SHMConfig still enabled, otherwise I wouldn't be able to configure properties in runtime. So, I was thinking, maybe there's additional hal files I don't know about. How can I find them, particularly ones responsible for turning SHMConfig on?

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  • testdisk - recover partition table

    - by Evaggelos Balaskas
    I destroyed my partition table of my laptop. Testdisk reports the below Disk laptop.img - 250 GB / 232 GiB - CHS 30402 255 63 (RO) Partition Start End Size in sectors >P MS Data 435868 456606 20739 [NO NAME] P MS Data 19232600 19235479 2880 [NO NAME] D MS Data 41945087 83890143 41945057 D MS Data 57151486 168579069 111427584 D MS Data 67637246 141037565 73400320 D MS Data 151523326 193466365 41943040 D MS Data 170617328 170618223 896 D MS Data 170631168 170634047 2880 D MS Data 171338232 171344405 6174 [Boot] D MS Data 172008235 172231918 223684 [NO NAME] P MS Data 193466368 214437887 20971520 D MS Data 217321375 225321678 8000304 [root] D MS Data 224923646 308809725 83886080 [media] D MS Data 308809728 420237311 111427584 D MS Data 418910206 481824765 62914560 [vmimages] my partition table had 3 Primary Partitions. 1. WinXP Home 2. /boot 3. LVM inside LVM i had 9 or 10 LVM partitions One of them was my home (encrypted with luks) testdisk cant recover my partition table or any other partition. Partitions with [P] doesnt have any useful data. I want to use dd to extract the partitions and try to recover as many files i can. Any ideas of how i can extract eg. the [root] lvm partition from the above testdisk report ? I am afraid that my disk was also corrupted.

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  • Sensitive data in init scripts

    - by Steve Jorgensen
    I'm adapting some examples I've found by Googling to build an init script to run a VirtualBox OSE virtual machine as a daemon. I would like to specify a password for VNC access to the VM, and this must be given as an argument to the VBoxHeadless command. Conventionally, init scripts are readable by standard users, and this seems like a useful convention, but I also don't want the VNC password for this VM to be stored in easily accessible plain text. What's the most appropriate/conventional way to handle this kind of situation? Maybe put a root-readable supporting data file someplace, and have the init script load the value from there?

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